DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

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less a protest more a tea break

― � (a hoy hoy), Thursday, July 7, 2011 7:59 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

real lols

pandemic, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)

ned, he's a pile of dogshit with a career as a journalist because his dad was famous

YOUTUBE ...the people over there tell the truth. (stevie), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.waterstones.com/wat/images/nbd/m/978184/894/9781848949805.jpg

^ he's the author of this book

brian da facepalma (NickB), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)

Good day for Rupert Murdoch:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/imageBank/t/tdf11st6-boasson_wins.jpg

There is power in an onion (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)

weirdly enough giles's sister victoria is actually funny and a good writer

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

also he publicly berated a sub who corrected a woeful blow-job joke he snuck into a restaurant review a few years back, so i'll take his crocodile tears abt the NOTW journos with a tub of free Daily Express salt

xxxxp

YOUTUBE ...the people over there tell the truth. (stevie), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

So basically he's not living up to his book title, then.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:11 (fourteen years ago)

on reflection perhaps i should buy a copy?

YOUTUBE ...the people over there tell the truth. (stevie), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

if wrote another called 'i'm a tory dickwipe' then maybe

� (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

Remember this Ned?

Chaps,

I am mightily pissed off. I have addressed this to Owen, Amanda and Ben because I don't know who i am supposed to be pissed off with (i'm assuming owen, but i filed to amanda and ben so it's only fair), and also to Tony, who wasn't here - if he had been I'm guessing it wouldn't have happened.

I don't really like people tinkering with my copy for the sake of tinkering. I do not enjoy the suggestion that you have a better ear or eye for how I want my words to read than I do. Owen, we discussed your turning three of my long sentences into six short ones in a single piece, and how that wasn't going to happen anymore, so I'm really hoping it wasn't you that fucked up my review on saturday.

It was the final sentence. Final sentences are very, very important. A piece builds to them, they are the little jingle that the reader takes with him into the weekend.

I wrote: "I can't think of a nicer place to sit this spring over a glass of rosé and watch the boys and girls in the street outside smiling gaily to each other, and wondering where to go for a nosh."

It appeared as: "I can't think of a nicer place to sit this spring over a glass of rosé and watch the boys and girls in the street outside smiling gaily to each other, and wondering where to go for nosh."

There is no length issue. This is someone thinking "I'll just remove this indefinite article because Coren is an illiterate cunt and i know best".

Well, you fucking don't.
This was shit, shit sub-editing for three reasons.
1) 'Nosh', as I'm sure you fluent Yiddish speakers know, is a noun formed from a bastardisation of the German 'naschen'. It is a verb, and can be construed into two distinct nouns. One, 'nosh', means simply 'food'. You have decided that this is what i meant and removed the 'a'. I am insulted enough that you think you have a better ear for English than me. But a better ear for Yiddish? I doubt it. Because the other noun, 'nosh' means "a session of eating" - in this sense you might think of its dual valency as being similar to that of 'scoff'. you can go for a scoff. or you can buy some scoff. the sentence you left me with is shit, and is not what i meant. Why would you change a sentnece aso that it meant something i didn't mean? I don't know, but you risk doing it every time you change something. And the way you avoid this kind of fuck up is by not changing a word of my copy without asking me, okay? it's easy. Not. A. Word. Ever.

2) I will now explain why your error is even more shit than it looks. You see, i was making a joke. I do that sometimes. I have set up the street as "sexually-charged". I have described the shenanigans across the road at G.A.Y.. I have used the word 'gaily' as a gentle nudge. And "looking for a nosh" has a secondary meaning of looking for a blowjob. Not specifically gay, for this is soho, and there are plenty of girls there who take money for noshing boys. "looking for nosh" does not have that ambiguity. the joke is gone. I only wrote that sodding paragraph to make that joke. And you've fucking stripped it out like a pissed Irish plasterer restoring a renaissance fresco and thinking jesus looks shit with a bear so plastering over it. You might as well have removed the whole paragraph. I mean, fucking christ, don't you read the copy?

3) And worst of all. Dumbest, deafest, shittest of all, you have removed the unstressed 'a' so that the stress that should have fallen on "nosh" is lost, and my piece ends on an unstressed syllable. When you're winding up a piece of prose, metre is crucial. Can't you hear? Can't you hear that it is wrong? It's not fucking rocket science. It's fucking pre-GCSE scansion. I have written 350 restaurant reviews for The Times and i have never ended on an unstressed syllable. Fuck. fuck, fuck, fuck.

I am sorry if this looks petty (last time i mailed a Times sub about the change of a single word i got in all sorts of trouble) but i care deeply about my work and i hate to have it fucked up by shit subbing. I have been away, you've been subbing joe and hugo and maybe they just file and fuck off and think "hey ho, it's tomorrow's fish and chips" - well, not me. I woke up at three in the morning on sunday and fucking lay there, furious, for two hours. weird, maybe. but that's how it is.

It strips me of all confidence in writing for the magazine. No exaggeration. i've got a review to write this morning and i really don't feel like doing it, for fear that some nuance is going to be removed from the final line, the pay-off, and i'm going to have another weekend ruined for me.

I've been writing for The Times for 15 years and i have never asked this before - i have never asked it of anyone i have written for - but I must insist, from now on, that i am sent a proof of every review i do, in pdf format, so i can check it for fuck-ups. and i must be sent it in good time in case changes are needed. It is the only way i can carry on in the job.

And, just out of interest, I'd like whoever made that change to email me and tell me why. Tell me the exact reasoning which led you to remove that word from my copy.

Right,
Sorry to go on. Anger, real steaming fucking anger can make a man verbose.
All the best
Giles

brian da facepalma (NickB), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)

Oh yeah, that guy. What a whiner. And he reproduced?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)

is private eye out today or next week? /wondering whether to take a book to work or buy a copy

� (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)

it was out yesterday. a fortnight until they can cover phone hacking.

joe, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.hasrebekahbrooksbeensackedyet.com/

prolego, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:20 (fourteen years ago)

^^^website ideas that never get old

� (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)

johnprescott: @gilescoren On every programme I've pointed out that your boss Murdoch sacked the workers to protect Brooks. So get your facts right son

Keep shouting sir, we'll find you (DavidM), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:26 (fourteen years ago)

Toby Young is sad

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:28 (fourteen years ago)

johnprescott: @gilescoren On every programme I've pointed out that your boss Murdoch sacked the workers to protect Brooks. So get your facts right son

― Keep shouting sir, we'll find you (DavidM), Thursday, July 7, 2011 8:26 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i like the 'son' at the end there

pandemic, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)

xxpost: gilescoren @WhatsNextPeople @johnprescott oh. well i know sod all then.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)

Meantime:

9.23pm: Scotland Yard has confirmed it was considering allegation that emails as well as mobile phones have been hacked.

It was understood that officers had not yet been decided whether the matter would fall under the new phone hacking investigation Operation Weeting.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)

I hope it is called Operation Pooting or something similar. Seriously what IS that name all about?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)

sonned by j prescott in a weeting tweet beef

sticky crisco (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)

A+

Operation Pooting (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)

Oh hey he DOES do anger management:

gilescoren Giles Coren

@johnprescott so i now gather. and so i apologise without reservation. sorry. i was reacting to only one tweet. hasty and foolish of me.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)

I hope it is called Operation Pooting or something similar. Seriously what IS that name all about?

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:32 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

weeting is a town in norfolk. here's how operation names get picked: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7288489.stm

The aim is to choose names that are completely neutral so they will hopefully be totally unrelated to the case. This system dates back to the 1980s.

"They brought it in after the unfortunately named Operation Swamp in 1981," says John Twomey of the Crime Reporters' Association.

"It involved swamping the inner cities with police to deal with street robberies among a small number of poor, black kids. They have been dealing with the backlash ever since."

joe, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:52 (fourteen years ago)

This is where I ask if they've ever had Operation Cockfosters.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)

three cheers for Operation Cockfosters

xp damn you

DJP, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)

Hahahah

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)

this is all really fascinating shit.

from a US perspective, this strikes me as being both totally sick and unconscionable on its face but kind of... inconsequential, as a political controversy? a media outlet breaking some laws? your media/gov't/public relationships are different tho.

anyway, thanks for the distraction!

oh and ps rebekah toryface is kind of a fox

goole, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)

Ned, we'll always have Operation Scunthorpe

DJP, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:59 (fourteen years ago)

http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2011/07/07/is-murdoch-free-to-destroy-tabloids-records/

PM me for invites to 77+ (cozen), Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:00 (fourteen years ago)

your media/gov't/public relationships are different tho.

That's kinda the key thing here. Also, if Fox News over here were doing what the NoTW was, especially given how much they brand themselves as the Real Goddamn American channel that supports the troops etc. -- the NoTW being a print equivalent to the UK on that front -- and it turned out they were breaking into American war widows' and crime victims' phones, then imagine the reaction...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:01 (fourteen years ago)

tbh I imagine fatalistically the reaction would be "ho hum, when does 'Wipeout' come on?"

DJP, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:02 (fourteen years ago)

your media/gov't/public relationships are different tho.

No kidding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRL3WlL1dKE

caek, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)

xpost -- Entirely possible, of course.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:03 (fourteen years ago)

OMFG the telegraph may have actually outdone the mail http://twitpic.com/5mo92s

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)

good but a bit broad imo. daily mail one is ice cold.

caek, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)

Murdoch Jr. talking about the going-ons at NotW not being "in line with our high journalism standards" ugh

Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)

from a US perspective, this strikes me as being both totally sick and unconscionable on its face but kind of... inconsequential, as a political controversy? a media outlet breaking some laws? your media/gov't/public relationships are different tho.

one of the editors involved went on to be the prime minister's official spokesman. idk, how would the US react if robert gibbs had done this?

joe, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:05 (fourteen years ago)

Well, to be fair, most people would have wondered who Robert Gibbs was.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)

Better pun though @ Telegraph. More feeling for drama

Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)

a media outlet breaking some laws? your media/gov't/public relationships are different tho.

yeah what this is really about is that for 20 years our governments have basically been in the pocket of the murdoch press (and factor in the police, too)

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)

Well, to be fair, most people would have wondered who Robert Gibbs was.

you could have predicted the same about andy coulson when cameron appointed him - most people have since come to know who he is!

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)

BBC running a Citizen Kane-like report on Murdoch and NotW now

Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:07 (fourteen years ago)

ha was gonna say, the US reaction would be along the lines of "they interrupted 'Mike and Molly' for THIS?"

I may be overly jaded/not giving my fellow citizens enough credit, tho

DJP, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)

you could have predicted the same about andy coulson when cameron appointed him - most people have since come to know who he is!

Yeah, granted, but again, different dynamics.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)

gibbs wouldve been fired pretty quickly, and then if more came out it still wouldnt be regarded as implicating obama to anyone but matt drudge

☂ (max), Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)

I think the storm over Valerie Plame shows that US press/politicians/corruption stories can blow up pretty big too.

stet, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:21 (fourteen years ago)

oh yeah

lol I keep forgetting that happened

DJP, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)

you could have predicted the same about andy coulson when cameron appointed him - most people have since come to know who he is!

― lex pretend, Thursday, July 7, 2011 9:07 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

although I imagine this week's events will put this to bed, whenever his name has come up in the last few years my brain has done a fraction-of-a-second calculation thing which starts with it thinking, 'oh yeah, the dude who gave the Spice Girls their nicknames in the 90s'

winsome posters leave the hall (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:22 (fourteen years ago)


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