DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

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"brown envelope"

caek, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:20 (fourteen years ago)

No Win No Fee

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:20 (fourteen years ago)

8.19pm: The National Union of Journalists has confirmed that journalists at The Sun walked out in protest at the treatment of their News of the World colleagues.

An NUJ official told the Guardian "the whole subbing desk" walked out – "around 30-35 people".

brian da facepalma (NickB), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:23 (fourteen years ago)

talking abt having yr cake and eating it

Once Were Moderators (DG), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)

holding the country to ransom amirite

winsome posters leave the hall (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)

i'd send in the army

Once Were Moderators (DG), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:32 (fourteen years ago)

@subedited: All our execs have vanished. Suspect they're arming themselves and drawing battlemaps. Tonight's going to be busy.

stet, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:32 (fourteen years ago)

this is the kind of worker solidarity that led to all those pro Miners Strike headlines in the 80s and that stunning appeal for everybody to vote Labour in 1992

SB OK (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:34 (fourteen years ago)

Deep roffles:

Just when you thought it couldn't get funnier... tonight, David Cameron is at the police bravery awards hosted by The Sun!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:38 (fourteen years ago)

"I'd like to salute the brave officers who...arrest suspects that...corrupt...press...can I go home?"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:39 (fourteen years ago)

Some new Sophy Ridge posts:

sophyridge sophyridge
News of the World journo said staff were "milling around like zombies" after Rebekah Brookes announcement

Colin Myler has told staff they are free to speak to the media if they want. But many wary as their jobs are still up in the air

Told by a source at the Sun that editor Dominic Mohan was as "shocked" as everyone else to hear news of News of the World closure

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:40 (fourteen years ago)

NYT on what happened in the NOTW newsroom today

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:46 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnVrK38xI-A&feature=share

caek, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:51 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00620/cartoon070711_620970a.jpg

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:52 (fourteen years ago)

8.50pm: More on the reports that subeditors at the Sun have walked out in protest at the sacking of colleagues on the News of the World. A source told the Guardian that some subs left their desk for 30 minutes but are now back at them.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)

Stay strong, comrades

brian da facepalma (NickB), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)

less a protest more a tea break

� (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:59 (fourteen years ago)

Desperately clawing back a bit already, I see:

Features editor Jules Stenson told Sky News that staff showed 'quiet pride' rather than 'mob anger' when the announcement was made.

'There was shock, bewilderment, there were a few gasps, there were lots of tears from the staff. It's been reported that there was a lynch mob mentality which is completely untrue, there was none of that.

'There was bewilderment, there was disappointment but there wasn't any kind of mob anger, quite the contrary. There was a lot of quiet pride from a team of brilliant journalists.'

Dan Wootton, the paper's showbiz editor, said he and his colleagues were 'devastated' and that some had been in tears. He also claimed many staff felt sympathy towards Brooks.

'There is devastation and fear. It is grief for the newspaper, that is what it is. It's not anger, it's grief. We were devastated. There were tears, and I know from a personal level we had huge sympathy for Rebekah Brooks delivering that news.'

Wootton added that in recent years the paper had changed:

'For the last four years we have delivered a quality newspaper, a newspaper that bears no resemblance to the newspaper that I have been reading about in the press this week.'

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:03 (fourteen years ago)

Think an afternoon of abuse is getting to Giles Coren:

@johnprescott Do you think maybe with 250 journalists losing their jobs, your endless gloating might be beginning to look a bit gratuitous?
http://twitter.com/gilescoren/statuses/89060904095858688

James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)

Hmm, who is this Coren guy?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:06 (fourteen years ago)

BREAKING NEWS: po-faced sanctimonious holier-than-thou clench-arsed joylessness to be made illegal. Guardian to be closed down.

@gilescoren That's right 'cos notw was a beacon of non-judgemental, Dionysian frolics

Once Were Moderators (DG), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)

less a protest more a tea break

― � (a hoy hoy), Thursday, July 7, 2011 7:59 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

real lols

pandemic, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:08 (fourteen years ago)

ned, he's a pile of dogshit with a career as a journalist because his dad was famous

YOUTUBE ...the people over there tell the truth. (stevie), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.waterstones.com/wat/images/nbd/m/978184/894/9781848949805.jpg

^ he's the author of this book

brian da facepalma (NickB), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)

Good day for Rupert Murdoch:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/imageBank/t/tdf11st6-boasson_wins.jpg

There is power in an onion (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)

weirdly enough giles's sister victoria is actually funny and a good writer

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

also he publicly berated a sub who corrected a woeful blow-job joke he snuck into a restaurant review a few years back, so i'll take his crocodile tears abt the NOTW journos with a tub of free Daily Express salt

xxxxp

YOUTUBE ...the people over there tell the truth. (stevie), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

So basically he's not living up to his book title, then.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:11 (fourteen years ago)

on reflection perhaps i should buy a copy?

YOUTUBE ...the people over there tell the truth. (stevie), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

if wrote another called 'i'm a tory dickwipe' then maybe

� (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

Remember this Ned?

Chaps,

I am mightily pissed off. I have addressed this to Owen, Amanda and Ben because I don't know who i am supposed to be pissed off with (i'm assuming owen, but i filed to amanda and ben so it's only fair), and also to Tony, who wasn't here - if he had been I'm guessing it wouldn't have happened.

I don't really like people tinkering with my copy for the sake of tinkering. I do not enjoy the suggestion that you have a better ear or eye for how I want my words to read than I do. Owen, we discussed your turning three of my long sentences into six short ones in a single piece, and how that wasn't going to happen anymore, so I'm really hoping it wasn't you that fucked up my review on saturday.

It was the final sentence. Final sentences are very, very important. A piece builds to them, they are the little jingle that the reader takes with him into the weekend.

I wrote: "I can't think of a nicer place to sit this spring over a glass of rosé and watch the boys and girls in the street outside smiling gaily to each other, and wondering where to go for a nosh."

It appeared as: "I can't think of a nicer place to sit this spring over a glass of rosé and watch the boys and girls in the street outside smiling gaily to each other, and wondering where to go for nosh."

There is no length issue. This is someone thinking "I'll just remove this indefinite article because Coren is an illiterate cunt and i know best".

Well, you fucking don't.
This was shit, shit sub-editing for three reasons.
1) 'Nosh', as I'm sure you fluent Yiddish speakers know, is a noun formed from a bastardisation of the German 'naschen'. It is a verb, and can be construed into two distinct nouns. One, 'nosh', means simply 'food'. You have decided that this is what i meant and removed the 'a'. I am insulted enough that you think you have a better ear for English than me. But a better ear for Yiddish? I doubt it. Because the other noun, 'nosh' means "a session of eating" - in this sense you might think of its dual valency as being similar to that of 'scoff'. you can go for a scoff. or you can buy some scoff. the sentence you left me with is shit, and is not what i meant. Why would you change a sentnece aso that it meant something i didn't mean? I don't know, but you risk doing it every time you change something. And the way you avoid this kind of fuck up is by not changing a word of my copy without asking me, okay? it's easy. Not. A. Word. Ever.

2) I will now explain why your error is even more shit than it looks. You see, i was making a joke. I do that sometimes. I have set up the street as "sexually-charged". I have described the shenanigans across the road at G.A.Y.. I have used the word 'gaily' as a gentle nudge. And "looking for a nosh" has a secondary meaning of looking for a blowjob. Not specifically gay, for this is soho, and there are plenty of girls there who take money for noshing boys. "looking for nosh" does not have that ambiguity. the joke is gone. I only wrote that sodding paragraph to make that joke. And you've fucking stripped it out like a pissed Irish plasterer restoring a renaissance fresco and thinking jesus looks shit with a bear so plastering over it. You might as well have removed the whole paragraph. I mean, fucking christ, don't you read the copy?

3) And worst of all. Dumbest, deafest, shittest of all, you have removed the unstressed 'a' so that the stress that should have fallen on "nosh" is lost, and my piece ends on an unstressed syllable. When you're winding up a piece of prose, metre is crucial. Can't you hear? Can't you hear that it is wrong? It's not fucking rocket science. It's fucking pre-GCSE scansion. I have written 350 restaurant reviews for The Times and i have never ended on an unstressed syllable. Fuck. fuck, fuck, fuck.

I am sorry if this looks petty (last time i mailed a Times sub about the change of a single word i got in all sorts of trouble) but i care deeply about my work and i hate to have it fucked up by shit subbing. I have been away, you've been subbing joe and hugo and maybe they just file and fuck off and think "hey ho, it's tomorrow's fish and chips" - well, not me. I woke up at three in the morning on sunday and fucking lay there, furious, for two hours. weird, maybe. but that's how it is.

It strips me of all confidence in writing for the magazine. No exaggeration. i've got a review to write this morning and i really don't feel like doing it, for fear that some nuance is going to be removed from the final line, the pay-off, and i'm going to have another weekend ruined for me.

I've been writing for The Times for 15 years and i have never asked this before - i have never asked it of anyone i have written for - but I must insist, from now on, that i am sent a proof of every review i do, in pdf format, so i can check it for fuck-ups. and i must be sent it in good time in case changes are needed. It is the only way i can carry on in the job.

And, just out of interest, I'd like whoever made that change to email me and tell me why. Tell me the exact reasoning which led you to remove that word from my copy.

Right,
Sorry to go on. Anger, real steaming fucking anger can make a man verbose.
All the best
Giles

brian da facepalma (NickB), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:13 (fourteen years ago)

Oh yeah, that guy. What a whiner. And he reproduced?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)

is private eye out today or next week? /wondering whether to take a book to work or buy a copy

� (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:15 (fourteen years ago)

it was out yesterday. a fortnight until they can cover phone hacking.

joe, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:17 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.hasrebekahbrooksbeensackedyet.com/

prolego, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:20 (fourteen years ago)

^^^website ideas that never get old

� (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)

johnprescott: @gilescoren On every programme I've pointed out that your boss Murdoch sacked the workers to protect Brooks. So get your facts right son

Keep shouting sir, we'll find you (DavidM), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:26 (fourteen years ago)

Toby Young is sad

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:28 (fourteen years ago)

johnprescott: @gilescoren On every programme I've pointed out that your boss Murdoch sacked the workers to protect Brooks. So get your facts right son

― Keep shouting sir, we'll find you (DavidM), Thursday, July 7, 2011 8:26 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i like the 'son' at the end there

pandemic, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)

xxpost: gilescoren @WhatsNextPeople @johnprescott oh. well i know sod all then.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)

Meantime:

9.23pm: Scotland Yard has confirmed it was considering allegation that emails as well as mobile phones have been hacked.

It was understood that officers had not yet been decided whether the matter would fall under the new phone hacking investigation Operation Weeting.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)

I hope it is called Operation Pooting or something similar. Seriously what IS that name all about?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)

sonned by j prescott in a weeting tweet beef

sticky crisco (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)

A+

Operation Pooting (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)

Oh hey he DOES do anger management:

gilescoren Giles Coren

@johnprescott so i now gather. and so i apologise without reservation. sorry. i was reacting to only one tweet. hasty and foolish of me.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:42 (fourteen years ago)

I hope it is called Operation Pooting or something similar. Seriously what IS that name all about?

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 21:32 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

weeting is a town in norfolk. here's how operation names get picked: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7288489.stm

The aim is to choose names that are completely neutral so they will hopefully be totally unrelated to the case. This system dates back to the 1980s.

"They brought it in after the unfortunately named Operation Swamp in 1981," says John Twomey of the Crime Reporters' Association.

"It involved swamping the inner cities with police to deal with street robberies among a small number of poor, black kids. They have been dealing with the backlash ever since."

joe, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:52 (fourteen years ago)

This is where I ask if they've ever had Operation Cockfosters.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)

three cheers for Operation Cockfosters

xp damn you

DJP, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)

Hahahah

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)

this is all really fascinating shit.

from a US perspective, this strikes me as being both totally sick and unconscionable on its face but kind of... inconsequential, as a political controversy? a media outlet breaking some laws? your media/gov't/public relationships are different tho.

anyway, thanks for the distraction!

oh and ps rebekah toryface is kind of a fox

goole, Thursday, 7 July 2011 20:58 (fourteen years ago)


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