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I thought it was absolute pants! Absolute pants mixed with a heavy dose of (bad)
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― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 November 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, the end shot was the worst shot in any film ever (sorry, stevem! :( ) - I actually felt sick looking at how fake it was (and I love artifice! -)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 November 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

And don't tell me there's no such thing as bad Red Dwarf, either!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 November 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Red Dwarf became very bad, but i watched large chunks of Revolutions again via the gift of DivX earlier, and i still think it's fine - thought the final scene was okay, kinda expected (tho not with those characters). there are just too many cool things about the film to deride it as trash completely. all 'Neo and Trinity' scenes pretty much sucked granted, but other than that it's still good it's still good.

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

actually the scene where they float above the clouds was probably the closest to evoking the feeling I'd hoped the ending would've.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

It may not be the best film of the year, but certainly the most critically underrated.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

no way - Good Boy!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Underrated, not badly rated.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 9 November 2003 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

um, matrix 3 got worse reviews than good boy! (understandable, since it's nowhere near as good as good boy!)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

omg this movie was so lame. its not even good on mushrooms. AND i was at the imax. sheesh.

― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Sunday, 9 November 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

yay lotr!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 9 November 2003 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I count the days. :-)

i watched large chunks of Revolutions again via the gift of DivX earlier

*gasp* Stevem you vicious pirate. They went to ALL THAT TROUBLE to trumpet the worldwide at-the-same-minute release to beat those darned Internet users and their file-sharing and look what you do.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 November 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

stevem's disregard for international copyright law and information ownership is frankly galling. He should be released into the forest and hunted down by Time Warner bigwigs on horseback, then burned and fed to children.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 November 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

(psyche!)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 November 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

There were several fanstastic shots, like the one in profile when Annoying Kid is pushing the ammo in a cart along the walkway to R.Lee Mifune who's standing in the middle of a storm of Sentinels. And the sequence when the stream of Sentinels through the

I am looking forward to someone in December pointing out that Return of the King's plot rips off Revolutions bigtime.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

(end of first paragraph =) stream of sentinels through the hole in the roof becomes a river.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

stevem's disregard for international copyright law and information ownership is frankly galling

hey! i downloaded it, i didn't upload it/pirate it myself. and this was after paying to see it anyway. you varmints.

i still think this film is one succulent sausage of an entertaining picture show. i have just eaten some sausages.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

my 2p: it managed to be more boring but more spectactular than 2nd. a lot of cool looking scenes and set pieces ripped from manga and anime strung together rather haphazardly with no real thought. dialog often unbearable

― Alan (Alan), Monday, 10 November 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, I heard all the babble about balancing the equations. Does an equation only balance when you realize that it's balanced? Or do you have to fly around in the air for 10 minutes first? Why don't they blow up sooner?

Well obviously the equations can only be balanced because Agent Smith tried to absorb Neo? Or something? I dunno, I had no idea that's what happened until I read this thread, and now it makes A LOT MORE SENSE than it did after we watched it this weekend.

I kind of thought it sucked; the Trinity death scene was painful and it basically turned the whole thing into the most drawn out Christ-metaphor ever; Tom was like haha 9 hour version of Tron! HOWEVER the entire ending is totally saved by the really horrible slow-mo shot of Neo punching Agent Smith in the face!!! Every movie needs that shot from now on!! I cannot think of one movie ever at all that wouldn't be improved by super slow-mo punching.

My main problem with the whole series--which I actually totally love, the first movie is great--is that I just don't get why anyone would want to leave the Matrix anyway; judging by Zion and Robot City the real world is for shit.

My favorite character: the guy who kept saying "He's out of his goddamn mind!" Dude was the only person in the movie who talked a bit of sense.

― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

By "it" up on the painful Christ metaphor sentence, I meant Revolutions turned it into a painful metaphor, not Trinity's death. That was just painful, not metaphoric.

ALSO: I really do not need to see Keanu Reeves getting his eyes burnt out!! That's totally unnecessary!!

― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

he made it work for him fashion-wise though!

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm starting to think that the trilogy actually has a really-poorly-explicated circular plot. Remember how in the first one Agent Smith tells Neo (or Morpheus, can't remember) "well, we TRIED a totally perfect version of the Matrix but you humans just wouldn't accept it." Well that's what we've got now. Earth is still completely fucked, Zion is ruined, spoon-benders are still the only ones who will have the self-consciousness and/or bravery to want out of the Matrix. But little kitty cats don't have to sleep in the rain anymore! It's sunny all the time now! But hey geniuses, without rain HOW WILL THE FLOWERS GROW??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

They're *in* the computer?

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

why anyone would want to leave the Matrix anyway

some people just can't handle the fact they got beat down by some smartass robots. i think if it was me, and i think i know me tho i can't be sure, i would like to live my life as much on the 'outside' and as close to the truth as possible. it was only Matrix v1.0 which was supposedly the real deal utopia where nothing fucked up but apparently we puny fleshlings just can't deal with that.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Errrgh, no, it's unnecessary. I was much happier when he reentered the Matrix and his eyes grew back. See: further proof that the Matrix is better than this so-called for-shit real world that Morpheus is so enamored with.

The Matrix is better in all ways possible:
1) Super kung fu skills for no apparent reason
2) Flying!
3) Everyone wears either leather, rubber, or crazy goth Maoist costumes all the time (contrast this with the horrifying dumpsterhippie chic sported by everyone in Zion)
4) Choices of food besides plain oatmeal
5) Sunlight
6) Distinct lack of people who wander around talking like drunk third year philosophy majors.

I would commit suicide if I was stuck in Zion.

xpost: Tracer Hand, computer flowers. DON'T. NEED. WATER!!!

― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

what if it had been like Monsters Inc and the machines thought they got more power out of humans by triggering the most horrific and torturous images in their brains virtually. only for Neo to come along and show them that they get twice the power by treating us all to mental pictures of kittens with glowsticks and whatnot

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

The only "drawback" to the Matrix is Agent Smith and really I don't know if he's so much a "drawback" being the best character in the series and all.

Well, that and the whole "being a slave to robots who are sucking your life force" thing but I think I wouldn't mind that soooo much. If I had to choose between listening to Morpheus, who is clearly completely fucked in his head, and being a robot battery, I think I'd choose robot battery to be honest. Morpheus just sounds like my crazy ex boyfriend and it wasn't amusing when he talked like that either :/

xpost stevem that idea rules!!!!!!!!!

― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

the new ilx server runs on kittens with glowsticks.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

that's why everyone's happy now.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Zion has APUs to play with, the Matrix don't. no contest.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

FYI I enjoyed the film while I was watching it and I'd see it again! I just don't think it was a very good film and I thought the ending was for shit though I like it better having read that equation-balancing explanation which was kind of obvious in retrospect but at the time I was just like, "This is so gay."

― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Zion v the Matrix is the film equivalent of the hippies v goths thread.

― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I'd choose robot battery to be honest

"damn you rock'em and sock'em robots, can't we just get along?!"

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

heheh steve you're totally right as well that the sentinels missed a trick by not having humans strapped right onto their exoskeletons: portable battery packs! The battery-humans could even make strangulated R2D2-noises during the battle sequences, how cute would that be!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

or the hell with it, deduce that the most energy humans extrapolate is during sex and turn it into The Matrix Orgython

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I call dibs on the neck brace!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

something else that bugged me: why didn't the Smiths take out Seraph and the lil girl when they had the chance?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe she defeated them with a rainbow that shot bullets! of PURE LOVE.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

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― TOMBOT, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Was anyone else disappointed that the only implications of Agent Smith entering the real world = Neo's eye booboo? I thought that shit was gonna be like MAD HYSTERIA or something.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

yeh exactly. Bain was pretty cool and was under-used - i'm amazed this film wasn't three hours long either given the amount of stuff they had to try and cover (no wonder it came off half-cock)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

The robots are illogical, why do they bother replicating themselves?

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved it!

― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

stevem- I think the implication is that seraph is one of those bizarrely powerful semi-relic programs like the merovingian. doesn't smith say something like "i've been trying to kill you forever" or some variant? presumably he busted out mad skillz. i think there are also implications that the little girl is some kind of neo-equivalent, a program who is escaping the matrix and comes with some powers. maybe

― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i loved the blinding! there's no reason not to start wrecking your characters when it's the end. plus obvious symbolism, tiresias etc etc

― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

My favorite character: the guy who kept saying "He's out of his goddamn mind!" Dude was the only person in the movie who talked a bit of sense
ha ha! that guy was the best. "i should have beat it out of him." he was totally speaking for the audience. all the freedom fighters are obviously lunatic zealots who can't even agree on the best plans.

― rob geary (rgeary), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

The robots are illogical, why do they bother replicating themselves?

same reasons humans do - as the narrator says in The Second Renaissance 'man made machine in his image'

the little girl was the new Oracle i thought - but the old Oracle came back when the Architect/Machine God did an undo on all SMith's meddling anyway.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Second Renaissance? Are you following the talking bits or something? ;)

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracer, you're thinking of They Might Be Giants, not the Matrix.

― Allyzay, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I built a little empire out of some crazy garbage
Called the blood of the exploited working class
But they've overcome their shyness
Now they're calling me Your Highness
And a world screams, "Kiss me, Son of God"

I destroyed a bond of friendship and respect
Between the only people left who'd even look me in the eye
Now I laugh and make a fortune
Off the same ones that I tortured
And a world screams, "Kiss me, Son of God"

I look like Jesus, so they say
But Mr. Jesus is very far away
Now you're the only one here who can tell me if it's true
That you love me and I love me

I built a little empire out of some crazy garbage
Called the blood of the exploited working class
But they've overcome their shyness
Now they're calling me Your Highness
And a world screams, "Kiss me, Son of God"
Yes a world screams, "Kiss me, Son of God"

― TOMBOT, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

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