John Cusack's best movie

the only actors to get a credit for The Thin Red Line should be Nolte and Koteas tbh

― You Post on ILX (Simon H.), Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:33 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark

and caviezel

and woody

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=23150886

lol @ lipnicki corrupted

Why does everyone hate that kid! I watched it recently and I'm sorry but he's freakin adorable in the scenes where he first meets Jerry.

caviezel, yes. woody, maybe - he does get a good death.

Found this...
http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/images/issue/420/thin-red-line_420.jpg

...when searching for this great Sight and Sound cover:
http://im2.ebidst.com/upload_big/3/9/0/1288296320-9002-0.jpg

Why does everyone hate that kid! I watched it recently and I'm sorry but he's freakin adorable in the scenes where he first meets Jerry.

I know lots of kids like this actually: they and their parents confuse precocity with cloying honesty. It's fucking intolerable.

yeah, Lloyd Dobler is kinda creepy. I've done similarly creepy things, maybe you have too.

i had that issue of S&S! i remember being fascinated by the film grain of that shot

I know a lot of insufferable precocious little brats - I just didn't really get that from him. OK I can't believe I'm having this conversation ;).

I just feel bad because everyone hates him so much.

yeah, Lloyd Dobler is kinda creepy. I've done similarly creepy things, maybe you have too.

― already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

for sure! it's just that the movie doesn't think he's creepy? or maybe it does and i'm not giving crowe enough credit.

i thought the kid was cute in that movie, he was certainly way less offensive than tom cruise or the line "you complete me" or one million other things about jerry maguire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_UCGyrWz9s&t=51

OK I can't believe I'm having this conversation ;). - lol

The Sure Thing is great, and his character way less terrible than in Say Anything.

2012 and 1408 are shit. He should not make movies named after numbers. I'm worried he's going to keep turning into Nicolas Cage as time progresses, making shitty action movies and bad career choices that negate all the cool and awesome shit.

shitty action movies and bad career choices have made nic cage 100x cooler & more intersting imo

Man I need to watch Say Anything again after this but I'm afraid it'll be awful and my child/teen memories of LD as dreamy and wonderful will all be squashed. Maybe I'm better off not watching it again tbh.

sometimes 'creepy' is necessary!

after GPB and High Fidelity it looked like Cusack was doing more producing/writing and finding ways to make very typical 'Cusack projects' that were both good and totally in his wheelhouse -- but since then he's had a pretty weird mixed bag of roles, finally getting a little too old for rom coms or maybe just mostly doing really lousy ones, lot of ill-advised genre flicks. War Inc. was the last thing he had a heavy role in writing/producing and that was just kind of a misfire of a broad political satire, very ill-fitting.

sometimes 'creepy' is necessary!

― already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:57 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

can you say more about this?

I think Cuze got thrown for a loop when best-friend-since-forever Jeremy Piven made a leap from second banana.

I dunno, is Lloyd's behavior really that bad? He hesitates approaching the girl bcz she's not in his league but nevertheless stays obsessed -- who can't relate to that?

Always like the 'soul classics' comp bit w/ the kid (a ubiquitous late-night ad of the era).

i don't think lloyd's behavior is that bad but i guess i just find the romantic swooniness with which his relationship with a cipher is treated kind of off-putting.

How old where you when you first saw it HS? Have you always felt this way?

lol sorry - it's just really interesting to me because I'm trying to remember details now and it's been too long.

i first saw it as a kid at one million slumber parties. i don't think i felt this way explicitly, but i just didn't like it as much as i felt like i was supposed to. "i want to be with your daughter" always bugged me and also...i don't know something about the whole lloyd is obsessed with this girl and she needs a way to get away from her dad unequal affections thing depressed me, too. although i guess that's fairly realistic. but yeah, i think i started explicitly thinking of it as creepy only after seeing jerry maguire and doing some retroactive cameron crowe criticism.

kept wishing the movie was about lili taylor

I wd like to do "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" a la Mahoney at karaoke

john mahoney is so great in this movie tbf

cameron crowe is really nasty stuff. fast times exempted, maybe

i've never seen SA tbh

he scored nancy wilson so i hope he's not a supercreep irl

I mean I think I can sort of see where you're coming from even though I never felt that myself. It's probably been 10 years since I've seen it though so I'd be interested to see what I think of it in light of this discussion. "i want to be with your daughter" - I still think that parts def just sweet though. ;)

I wd like to do "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" a la Mahoney at karaoke

― already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

I think of him singing along every time I hear that song.

IS HE NOT GOING TO GET A JOB OR AN IDENTITY OR WHAT THE FUCK

man ive never seen 'say anything'... wish this thread cld start being abt what a nutso movie 'identity' is tbh

x-post He doesn't know yet who he is or what he wants to do with his life but he's sure that he wants her in it - sometimes stuff happens and people feel that way and that's OK!

It's OK though HS. You don't have to like it.

haha i'm sorry

i think years of suppressing my issues with that movie and nodding politely about how much everyone loves it have taken a toll

haha lamp OTM, "Identity" is an extended WTF

IS HE NOT GOING TO GET A JOB OR AN IDENTITY OR WHAT THE FUCK

― horseshoe, Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:17 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

he's a kickboxer who loves the clash!

i know and he doesn't want to process anything bought or sold i know

hahahahaha

this is tough but my favorite ~movie~ out of these is grifters, hands down, tho it's not his best performance by any means

being john malkovich is a really strong contender for my vote, too

gbp is plenty of fun but the scene where he's holding some random baby and has an *epiphany* 80s soundtrack moment somehow just fucks up the whole movie for me

the grifter is v v good, but it's all about anjelica huston, so yeah it feels like not the right vote for this poll

that's about the best you can get out of a 19-year-old

xxp

We have a tendency to reduce behavior these days to psychobabble. I had a discussion the other day in class about "stalking." Apparently it's "stalking" to follow a girl when you both leave class, catch up, and ask for her phone number. The girl who complained said he had "issues."

you know i always htought the baby scene in gpb was hokey and it took me out of the movie, but then i saw it as an adult and it made me bawl, so

identity = best worst twist ending EVAH