How do you know this?
Well, here I have to defend myself. I have a second job as an LSAT instructor, and I consistently score between 170-175 on practice tests.
Otherwise everything you're telling me sounds about right. Are you in law school now or are you a lawyer? When I explain these things to my wife I'd like to be able to say "A woman on ILX, who does ---, told me."
(And is it realistic to think I can write a good essay when I can't even seem to put a sentence together? Gah!)
^^^ this could be a problem though. you know that there's, like, a LOT of writing in law school right?
-- gbx (polarbea...), September 26th, 2006.
Here I was just referring to my garbled post. Writing is pretty natural for me, actually.
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)
Okay, that makes sense - and I didn't intend to come across accusatorily, so I'm really sorry if I did. My understanding is that actual LSAT scores remain pretty true to practice test scores. My final score was within one point of the score I consistently got on practice tests.
I'm a third year law student who went back to law school at the ripe old age of 31. I would classify myself as a "number two" above. I spent a brief period of time as a number one and decided that maintaining the necessary level of hard work required to remain in that category would kill me. I'm a passionate labor and employment do-gooder, anyway, and nobody cares about your grades in that field as long as your loyal to the cause. Oh I also go to a second tier law school (I think we're in the 80s or 90s).
Going to law school as an adult, and a married one (I am also married, no kids, three cats) presents a whole different passel of challenges that straight-from-undergrad-ers don't have to worry about over and above the regular difficulties of law school. I'm guessing you've got friends and a social life and hobbies and those will all take a serious hit if you go to law school no matter how hard to try to avoid it. Then there's the sad truth of how completely annoying the majority of your classmates will be just by virtue of their utter lack of life experience... Or maybe that's just me. I am a pretty grumpy old bitch sometimes.
Anyway, my first instinct when someone says they don't care too much about law or being a lawyer but want to go to law school is to dive tackle them out of the way of the onrushing bus because the bottom line is this: law school is three years of intensive study of the law, leading to a job that is fully immersed in the law (with some extremely limited exceptions generally available only to those with outstanding academic performance or an existing network of connections within a specific field). A JD isn't an all-purpose degree. Going to law school without really being interested in the law is like going to a very expensive, difficult, and stressful cooking school without really having any interest in cooking.
― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)
It's my happy place.
― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)
This is what I'm worried about. Am I looking at four...no, wait...eigh--twelve years of no hobbies? :/
― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)
― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)
ahahahahaha
― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)
― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)
She's not *making* me do anything, but she keeps saying stuff like "You're so good at this stuff. You love to argue and over-analyze things. Why don't you just do it?" as though it were all as easy as taking the LSAT. So here I am going to ILX for back-up.
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)
― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)
― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 03:13 (nineteen years ago)
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)
― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 03:26 (nineteen years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 03:52 (nineteen years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)
I have enjoyed reading the theories as to how easy it is to get a job, how unimportant grades are, and how the practice of law is from people who are still students, though. How enlightening. I'll enjoy your updates upon graduation, and during your job search.
Being a lawyer may make you bitter.
― lawmclawlaw (allie b), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)
― lawmclawlaw (allie b), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)
― gem (trisk), Thursday, 28 September 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)
I'm sure some do, but I woudn't say that's a given - the firm where I clerk starts associates at $50k. You are absolutely correct that $70,000 is more than $34,000, though.
― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 28 September 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)
― c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 28 September 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)
Bottom line - go to top 10 school, be in top 25-10% of your class, schmooze hard, get posh job in posh firm, work 70 hours a week monday through sunday.
― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)
No billable hours? Dare to dream. Billable hours can eat me.
― lawmclawlaw (allie b), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)
Don't go to law school for the money unless you're willing to work insanely long hours both during and after you graduate and are willing to do work for clients that you might find distasteful and make arguments you might find equally distasteful.
― J (Jay), Thursday, 28 September 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Friday, 13 October 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)
I also fear that my interest may be too academic, if that makes sense. At times that makes me consider legal academia as an option. I know from previous grad school that I have the temperament for acedemic work, and my exposure to legal scholarship gives me the (possibly false) impression that it favors a wider-ranging and more interdisciplinary approach than other quarters of the academy. But is the job market as dire as in the humanities/social sciences? And is the choice between practice and scholarship one I'd have to make in my first year of school? Please to make my life decisions for me, ILE.
― xtof (xtof), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 06:47 (nineteen years ago)
there might be more choices than just practise or academia if you are interested in black letter law, which i suppose is what you mean about the academic interest. for example, you might look for work at whatever organisation drafts legislation in your country, or the local law reform commission, or go into some kind of legislative policy type work. i have just commenced as an associate to a supreme court judge and it is ALL scholarly stuff. which is cool and completely different to what my mates in firms are doing.
― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)
Become a law librarian. Get a joint J.D./M.L.S. and work in an academic law library.
― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)
― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)
Some schools have tuition repayment programs that help you A LOT with your debt if you choose public interest or something low-paying. You should look into this more if debt is the only thing keeping you from doing it.
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 23 November 2006 08:48 (nineteen years ago)
― paper.prentice, Sunday, 25 February 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)