NRO's The Corner: Rolling Bile, Spit, and Gnash Thread

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/269208/prison-math-and-war-drugs-veronique-de-rugy

... wait where does the stupid part come in

daniel foster on the pulitzer prize winner who "came out" as an undocumented immigrant:

Liberals are coming out of the woodwork to call Vargas’ confession — meant to spur that “national conversation” about immigration that is perpetually just around the corner — courageous and pioneering. It is certainly the former, and may turn out to be the latter. But in their rush to praise Vargas — who is thoroughly culturally American and has “contributed” to American society with his journalism — they conveniently leave out that at the beginning of his story is not one but a series of crimes. Vargas entered the country illegally after his grandfather paid a coyote $4,500 to smuggle him in. The grandfather then obtained a fake passport and green card for Vargas, which they used to acquire a valid Social Security card. But that card, which subjected Vargas’ right to work to the approval of the then-INS, was illegally doctored, allowing Vargas to secure job after job for more than a decade by showing nothing more than a photocopy of a fake document.

heh, i dont think anyone is "leaving that out"? i think thats uhhhhh kind of the point.

which liberals have "come out" of "the woodwork"? First I heard of this story was when I read it in NRO World this morning.

well its a big cover page story in the nyt magazine!

what does "coyote" mean in immigration slang

its the guy who smuggles people over the border

What it says -- somebody paid a hungry coyote to smuggle the immigrant across the border in its mouth.

xp yeah i figured, wasn't sure if a "coyote" had any special designations beyond that

No regrets coyote -- it was just another false alarm.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_488/1269115212H50AT5.jpg

that really gives arizona's hockey team -- the phoenix coyotes -- a whole new context

and has “contributed” to American society with his journalism

shitty journalist calls out high-achieving journalist on account of worthlessness of journalism.

x-post No cognizance at all that the "crimes" committed are the equivalent or less than a rich dude writing off a golf trip as a business expense on his taxes.

liberals may THINK they're proud of vargas for being an illegal immigrant, but what they DON'T REALIZE is that his immigration to this country was ILLEGAL!

"coyote" clearly refers to hank quinlan.

liberals may THINK they're proud of vargas for being an illegal immigrant, but what they DON'T REALIZE is that his immigration to this country was ILLEGAL!

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just... magisterial:

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06/23/11 00:03

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I'm not sure why it's considered inhumane to make Vargas return to his country of legal residence, unless you're a racist and assume that it's an unbearable tragedy to have to live surrounded by Filipinos.

The Left certainly does not believe that one is entitled to a community that is culturally and ethnically static. Certainly they don't feel that *Americans* are entitled to it, given their overwhelmingly support for the dramatic changes which have occurred under the immigration policies of the last four decades. So Vargas's social milieu will change from SWPL Americans to Filipinos. Who cares?

As for the significant alteration in Vargas's quality of life, it will be little different than that experienced by millions of deadbeat homeowners forced from their overpriced McMansions and into rundown apartment complexes during the past 3 years.

Life happens. He'll adapt, and he'll get by, as will every other illegal deported for taking something that is not theirs.

omg

unless you're a racist and assume that it's an unbearable tragedy to have to live surrounded by Filipinos.

feel like somebody's projecting

wau, every sentence of that is a tiny little masterpiece

esp: "Who cares?"

hmm. i feel like i can think of at least 1 person who cares!

"Life happens."

post next time one of them gets pissed abt something

except abortion, i guess, ho ho

holy

haha zing

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/270515/re-stonewall-friday-night-jason-lee-steorts

I'm baffled by that one! As a few of the commenters have said, these guys don't often disagree this personally in public.

never actually heard of that guy. last posted on the corner nearly a year ago.

I'd like to add that the very tyranny she alludes to, is being enforced, now, here, by you Jason Lee Steorts. She has the right to disagree with gay marriage on whatever grounds she pleases, or none at all. If only one view is 'right' or can be tolerated, and the other must be shunned or belittled, is that not a form of soft tyranny?

I'm really excited about reading KJL's response on Monday.

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06/26/11 20:13

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Four updates! This is starting to look like a Glenn Greenwald post.

Love how those tyrannical regimes (say, N.Korea) continually are bestowing new rights on their people.

Mr. Steorts:

Thank you for the excellent example of the tolerance we traditionalists will be graciously afforded under Gay Rule. I don't know what we could possibly be afraid of!

Gay Rule sounds kinda great!

Gay Rules:

If the straights were at the point, we forced them left and doubled them. If they were on the left wing, we went immediately to a double team from the top. If they were on the right wing, we went to a slow double team. And if they were on the box, we doubled with a big guy.

you forgot the fouling

the corner self-immolation later today? stay tuned

judging from the comments you'd think the NYS govt not only legalized "SSM" but also ordered every catholic to have anal sex before next sunday

What the hell is this dude even doing there?! http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/270517/nro-readers-are-best-michael-potemra

I’m even thankful, to some extent, to those who wrote in disagreement, most of whom avoided cheap vilification. Many gave me food for thought, and some, I admit, for tongue-in-cheek mockery. One of my favorites deplored gay marriage as sending us down the road to “the full ‘gay’ morally relativistic agenda” which will result, if we permit it, in “materialism at high-tide.” Now, this is an objection I take very seriously indeed, because I think materialism is a great danger to the soul, especially in a wealthy country such as ours. So I hope we never reach those vilest depths of moral decay, the ones my reader is so worried about; and never become a country so overtaken by materialist excess that a respected conservative presidential candidate will have a million-dollar account at Tiffany’s to buy gifts for his wife. The gays will sure have a lot to answer for, if that ever happens . . .

. . . I am generally a fan of Archbishop Dolan — I have written about my appreciation for him here — but I thought his North Korea comparison was unfortunate. I know that he was trying to make a very specific point, about the relation between government power and the use of language; but I also know that if some liberal ever compared America to North Korea, even in the most “nuanced” possible way, conservatives would be jumping up and down accusing him of “anti-Americanism.”

To be honest, one of the reasons why I vote against gay marriage is because I know it annoys people like this. Chalk it up to spite.

^^^ 2011 GOP motto

When the Athenians voted to execute Socrates, was he or was he not the victim of tyranny? Can tyranny take any form other than dictatorship? Are the fears of our founding fathers mere fantasy, or is care for legal protection against the tyranny of the majority an actual real-world concern? Is the vote of a democratically elected body necessarily not tyranny? To dismiss the N. Korea analogy as beyond the pale is to deny the rational of the founding fathers, to deny any appeals to right and wrong that extend beyond positive law. Tyranny is capricious law, based upon the will of one, few, or many in a way that gravely contradicts the common good and the traditional laws for securing that good. Too much Team America and not enough Aristotle in these dismissals of the N. Korea analogy.

tsk, the tyranny of democracy

where is the originally N. Korea comparison? Following all their link circle jerks leads me nowhere.

wasn't Socrates a boy bugger?

tying themselves in knots trying to explain how the votes of elected politicians equal dictatorial mandates, but that's how you have to roll sometimes

everyone loves the majority opinion when they are in agreement with it

here ya go, Ed: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/270491/new-york-s-age-anarchy-hour-zero-michael-potemra

the tyranny of democracy - from the same folks who brought you "liberal fascism"

Dear fuckfaces,

Below is the entirety of the long-dead Founding Fathers' thoughts on gay marriage:

Thank you,
The Management

oh man:

She Went by ‘Daddy’
June 27, 2011 11:53 A.M.
By Glenn T. Stanton

My daughter and I were in Manhattan over this weekend so I could do some research at the Met. Waves of people were coming into the city for Sunday’s big gay-pride march, where they could celebrate the Empire State’s new same-sex-marriage law. We sat behind some of them on the train, three young women with a precious, excited toddler girl in tow. The very evident leader of the clan was the patriarch. Adorned as if she might be an actor portraying a hip-hop teen from Cleveland, she had her meticulous corn-rows tucked under a backwards navy-blue flat-billed ballcap, a matching wife beater revealing a mural of tats on her arms, shoulders, and back. Baggy jeans rode low, leading to her construction boots with untied laces dangling free.

She was the only one of the adult threesome that interacted with the child, mindlessly uttering reassuring words like “Daddy will be right back” or “Sit over here by Daddy.”

You see, this is one of the things that most concerns me about the legal institutionalization of genderless marriage and parenting. We are told that nothing will really change with such laws; people who really love each other will just be able to enter really meaningful, legally protected relationships.

But, to use the language of our women’s-studies scholars, such a turn “does violence” to our concept of sex difference. They would have us believe that their way of looking at the world transcends the “narrow” confines of socially constructed gender difference, but these very folks end up playing to those very confines, usually in comically stereotypical ways. Think drag queen in her everyday clothes, like our Urban Outfitters dad on the train.

If that's all they got, they don't got a lot.

She went by Daddy!