Suicide

I do like this phrase, tho.

it's like the ultimate troll saying to everyone s/he knows YOU ARE ALL JUST RUBBISH AND I PROVE IT THUS....

my friend *was* actually a bit gothy, now i think of it, but so what? — i wish he'd been a lot MORE gothy, because then we could have talked about it: not that i'd have had much to say, except maybe to make him laugh at himself and how he was being. he froze me out by keeping EVERYTHING to himself and now i can't forgive him

"Consolation by a possible suicide widens into infinite space this realm where we are suffering....What greater wealth than the suicide each of us bears within himself?"

Once again I apologize for offending anyone or making light of a subject that is exactly the opposite of that. I just wished to open a discussion on a tough subject. Sometimes it really helps.

Several of the posts on this thread have been extremely inspirational and supportive. It makes me feel warm that there are so many wonderful, understanding people out there. You are the ones that help suicidals get through the hard times. Though you may not know it, more than likely you've convinced someone to stay alive and they just never mustered the courage to tell you. I can say this from experience, my friends cured me before it really took affect.

(Ha ha Tracer maybe I just don't post to the interweb about my troubles as much as some.)

For the Suicides
in memory: J & G & J

If we recall your voices
As softer now, it's only
That they must have drifted back

A long way to have reached us
Here, and upon such a wind
As crosses the high passes.

Nor does the blue of your eyes
(Remembered) cast much light on
The page ripped from the tablet.

* * *

Once there in the labyrinth,
Your were safe from your reasons.
We stand, now, at the threshold,

Peering in, but the passage,
For us, remains obscure; the
Corridors are still bloody.

* * *

What you meant to prove you have
Proved: we did not care for you
Nearly enough. Meanwhile the

Bay was preparing herself
To receive you, the for once
Wholly adequate female

To your dark inclinations;
Under your care the pistol
Was slowly learning to flower

In the desired explosion,
Disturbing the careful part
And the briefly recovered

Fixed smile of a forgotten
Triumph; deep within the black
Forest of childhood that tree

Was already rising which,
With the length of your body,
Would cast the double shadow.

* * *

The masks by which we knew you
Have been torn from you. Even
Those mirrors, to which always

You must have turned to confide,
Cannot have recognized you,
Stripped, as you were, finally.

At the end of your shadow
There sat another, waiting,
Whose back was always to us.

* * *

When the last door had been closed,
You watched, inwardly raging,
For the first glimpse of your selves
Approaching, jangling their keys.

Musicians of the black keys,
At last you compose yourselves.
We hear the music raging
Under the lids we have closed.

-Donald Justice

what are you, like emo gershy?

Is there a universe where that is considered a good poem, and if so how do we destroy it?

I really like Ned's first post on this thread, but more because it's so Ned, not so much out of agreement with it.

It is very me, isn't it. The sentiment remains the same, though I'd express it differently now.

the best solution for those worried about their impact on the environment is to kill themselves

Sitting with my back to the street on top of a 75-story building, revolver placed firmly in mouth.

Is there a universe where that is considered a good poem, and if so how do we destroy it?

i don't think it's bad at all, and donald justice was rather high regarded, so I think you'd have to destroy THIS universe, unfortunately

Ah, Love! Could you and I with Fate conspire
To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire,
Would we not shatter it to bits - and then
Re-mould it nearer to the Heart's Desire!

(for Casuistry)

Is there a universe where that is considered a good poem, and if so how do we destroy it?

you smug piece of shit

RIP big man

I'm with Ned here, but if I had no firearm access and had to off myself, I'd take a massive heroin OD.

as opposed to being the foreign object left in the shark, as it were.

you actually made that joke

when? oh.

In 2004, the female suicide death rate among those aged 15 years and older was 5.7 per 100,000 females, compared to a rate of 22.4 per 100,000 males.

In countries like Australia, Canada and the US - about 3-4 men kill themselves as compared to 1 woman.

I can't find any homicide-victim rates that are divided by gender.

More men are raped then women if prison rape is counted :(

My old best friend from high school just TEXTED me about how he tried to commit suicide last Wednesday.

What's fucked up is that our best friend killed himself in high school, and he KNOWS how intensely sad that was for all of us, his family, his friends.

WHO THE FUCK TEXTS ABOUT THIS

I immediately call him, and he says "Now's not a good time, I'm about to go onstage", because I guess his band is about to play somewhere. I hate this. Every time with him, he's just drunk, but if I don't call him back or answer his call, I would never forgive myself if he went through with it.

What a thread for a Friday night.

If someone is going through with it, their call won't come at a time it could be answered. You won't be the only person called if there is still hope.

It isn't somebody else's fault. Not anybody that could do anythign about it.

OTOH if he is bothering to call, generally it means he does want to be heard. Not that I'm saying you should blame yourself if you miss a certain opportunity, but it does matter. Then again, I hate drunks, so fuck it.

If people are going to do it, they will call when it's too late (as in phone to say bye and hang up) or leave a note.

Why the fuck are there so many people with emotional health problems and the like here? Not just this thread, but ILX in general. It's enough to make a person nervous.
― Josh

http://www.unconditionalconfidence.com/mt/mt-static/FCKeditor/UserFiles/Image/nervous.gif

I don't know. Why aren't there decent responses to people who are seriously depressed? Ever try calling a suicide hotline? They blow.

It just doesn't seem like (American) society is serious about people's health, mental or physical.

Oh you get that feeling too?

As weird as American health care is in general, mental health is the red-headed stepchhild. Don't get me started. Just... don't.

I don't think it's that much better here (in Belgium). The problem is that mental health is such a "vague" thing, difficult to diagnose, difficult to treat, and psychology is still regarded to many (here) as,well, not part of science. "Failed doctors" is what my friend calls'em. Actually many people here think it's better in the US (the way it's approached, not the health care, am I making myself clear?)

The whole "bc they called, means they're not gonna do it" is a crap line. Because you tend to... trivialize it all - well, they're not really serious about it. Do not consider it as though it's only a cry for help. Treat it seriously, as though they will do it.

What's fucked up is that our best friend killed himself in high school, and he KNOWS how intensely sad that was for all of us, his family, his friends.

So he has to keep living because you all felt crap? What about him? This line won't really work. He's in deep shit, depressed. I know you mean well, but you gotta stop thinking from your standpoint if you wanna get through him: he's in a world where he only sees himself (in a deeply shitty situation).

My old best friend from high school just TEXTED me about how he tried to commit suicide last Wednesday.

Would a pigeon have worked better? Text message is... easier. When I feel extremely shitty and want to express myself then I usually prefer to chat. Yes, CHAT. Because otherwise I start crying 'n' shit and I find it humiliating. Also, I can express myself better through the written/typed word. (haha -> Still, can't really write well though. hahah)

^^^^^^ very otm. less personal the medium, easier it is to say stuff.

There are so many problems when it comes to how mental health is regarded, though some of it is how much of an inexact science it is today, there's so many different treatments that will work for different people (in terms of medications, therapies). Despite there being a greater general awareness of it, there's still a huge stigma and shame about seeking help, which doesn't help since when you're suicidally depressed, you already don't want to.

Are you okay? If you need to talk, it's igotabeefpastry @ gmail dot com

you - anyone, I guess

I have had v good luck w/hotlines, btw.

I just want to sleep forever. Sleeping is the only thing I look forward to. At what point does one decide "I'm never going to get my shit together"?

dude you never decide that because it isn't true. I give this testimonial all the time but in 2008 I wanted death so bad I could taste it, it was all I thought about when I was awake, it was a big fucking surprise because I'd been out of the woods for years, I'm a senior citizen I didn't think I was going to see the please-let-me-just-not-wake-up station again ever and then there I was. four years & plenty of therapy later I am in better shape than I've ever been in and I would not have guessed, in a thousand years, all the turns things have taken for me since the last day I spent wandering from room to room unable to do anything but cry. you just do not know, empirically you cannot know because there's no such thing as the future except one that's limitless & infinite and a great number of the possibilities there are very pleasant indeed, that you will never get your shit together. that's just the most vivid of the infinite possibilities from your present perspective, which is clouded by feeling like shit

hang the fuck on blank imo

^^ co-signing, aero knows from what he speaks

Lost a friend this weekend.

Please people talk to each other.

x

I am so sorry for your loss. Take as good care of yourself as you can.