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i guess so. i lived in park slope in 2001-2002 and it was packed almost every night i passed by. you could still catch a faint whiff of scallop ceviche in my bathroom like 6 months later.

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:44 (twenty-three years ago)

that sounds nasty. i had the lomo saltado (?) which is the beef and french fries and tomato garlic sauce ( i think) all mixed together.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:45 (twenty-three years ago)

All my really favorite restaurants (and gourmet food stores) in New York are the ones within a five-minute walk from my apartment: absolutely fantastic for take-out but I'm not sure if they're worth a trip to the Upper East Side.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:46 (twenty-three years ago)

hi i'm a tourist:

nobu
sushi samba
the coffeeshop (i swear it was good! i was not THAT drunk!)

um...
one of the indian restaurants with the belly dancers on the lower east side (e. 6th?)

i can't remember any others...

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

the coffeeshop (i swear it was good! i was not THAT drunk!)

NOOO!! Coffee Shop is the worst. I worked there one day before I got fired. The food is awful and the service sucks - trust me. Everything is seriously overpriced. $12 for a Cuban Sandwich? Nigga please. I could go down to Houston & Attorney and get one for 3 bucks. And also, they have a policy for the host-staff. All the beautiful people get the prime seats and booths, while the uglies get sent away to the back. It's true. It's policy. It sucks. Though the waitstaff is all pretty hot [but dumb...]

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

second for congee village! plus sweet and tart cafe, the smaller version. it has the best wonton noodle soup in the city. i also have to mention the greatness of zen one on st. mark's. the couple that owns that place are very friendly and the sushi portions are generous for the price.

fiona (fiona), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

The advice to stay away from Dojo may be the most valuable information in this thread, gareth.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I ate at Zen every weekend from fall 1986 to spring 1991, give or take a year spent in London. The bento box lunches were $5.95 then and they shoveled the food down your throat. I doubt prices would be that much higher now.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)

i actually live in new jersey *everyone stops reading* but for those that are still reading, a great italian place in soho (should you happen to be in the neighborhood) is 'il corallo trattoria'. fairly inexpensive and really tasty, and the service was great. i'll second zen palate - best vegitarian food i've ever had, if a tad pricy for a poor student.

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

* starts reading again *

Ugh Zen Palate. So frondy. I think I'm going to turn into an overpriced plant everytime I walk past one of those places so I try not to let the waitstaff see my eyes. NEVER let them see your eyes.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

The one time I went to Zen Palate it was a bazillion degrees out (hot August day) and their a/c didn't work.

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

all i remember is that the fried medallion things were fab, and i had previously thought of myself as a red-meat-a-tarian.

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

i dont think the waiters are that bad at the union street location. the 49th street location is much different. there, the waiters hover, and they are all in black, and there is new-agey music playing!

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

third for veselka

alli (alliok), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I like El Sombrero at Ludlow and Stanton, haven't been there since I moved back tho.

Word. Also, for REAL Mexican food: the Rocking Horse Cafe, Gabriela's, Los Dos Rancheros.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 March 2003 23:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh JBR let's not fight over Mexican food again!

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 23:03 (twenty-three years ago)

REAL MEXICAN

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 March 2003 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

In which neighborhoods and how much do you want to spend and what if anything don't you eat?

A good place to check out if you want to spend lots of time (and major bandwidth warning) is the message board at chowhound.

Commentary on places mentioned before:

I second the recommendations for Gabriela's (90s location probably has a less annoying crowd than the 70s one), which is pretty good as far as NY Mex goes. Maya is a wonderful, if expensive, haute Mexican place on the southern tip of the Upper East Side. One of NY's better restaurants. As for other places, I've been once to the supposedly authentic La Palapa in the E. Village/LES and wasn't impressed, food- or other-wise. The others I don't know about.

Carmine's is not exactly subtle food, but it is better than one might expect and can be a great time for a group. Go for the Upper West Side branch, if convenient, to avoid the Times Square crowds (though I don't know what effect the theatre strike will have). If you do the Little Italy thing, you should know that the restaurants there aren't necessarily great (I don't know how they stack up against the E. Vill/LES places, which I've never been to). Of the ones there, Il Cortile can be pretty good.

Ollie's has a special place in my heart, but it is not worth your time unless you want slightly-better-than-average-Americanized (and excessively corn-starched) Chinese and it's nearby. Columbia branch better than the others.

John's Pizzeria (the Village place referenced, but not named, in Aaron Grossman's post, I believe) - very good pizza, not sure if it's a destination. V&T near Columbia is comparable. The great pizzerias are Lombardi's (in Little Italy/NoLita) and Patsy's (in Harlem, with V&T-quality branches elsewhere). You should, however, have some cheap, average NY pizza in addition to excellent, wood-burning-oven pizza to get the full experience.

Dosa Hutt - I've never been, but this place gets raves from most foodies. And you don't have to go to Flushing - there's one on Lexington in the 20s (26th?). Also nearby on "Curry Hill" is Curry in a Hurry, a great place for dosas and steam-table meals. That place, however, can't beat...

Pakistan Tea House in Tribeca (the place Tracer Hand was referring to). In the past year and a half, I've eaten in probably ten of the best restaurants in New York. I'm not sure I've had anything more memorable at those places than this place's Chicken Makhni platter with spinach and dal.

Coffee Shop - food shouldn't be the reason you go there (though it is decent). I'm not sure what should.

Blue Ribbon - I've never been to Blue Ribbon proper, but have been to the Blue Ribbon Bakery, slightly less, but still relatively, expensive. The food wasn't as amazing as I expected (though it was very good and I ordered strangely), but this place has great atmosphere.

Stuff you should try:

Hot Dogs - The classic places are the papaya ones (Gray's Papaya over Papaya King for me). F&B in Chelsea is a v. cute place with a chic'er and broader menu and probably better food.

The Soup Nazi - in midtown, open during the day. Cuisine in an expensive-for-lunch-but-cheap-for-quality cup (with lots of goodies added). Worth the adventure.

Sushi - but only if you go to one of the really good places, which will probably cost $. On the Upper East Side, Sushi of Gari is an inventive, fun (and pretty trendy for the UES) place that my Dad thinks has the freshest fish he's ever eaten (and he's eaten a lot). The invention here isn't quite my style (I do like invention, just a different kind), but many disagree. The other great sushi place, besides Nobu (which, like most big-name restaurants, is totally hit-or-miss) and the midtown-business-lunch places, is Jewel Bako in the East Village, where I've never been.

Chinese/Vietnamese in Chinatown/Little Italy - I'll leave the picks to others (I'm too Americanized to appreciate rice gruel). But I do like Funky Broome.

A cute/trendy/semi-cheapy French bistro like Le Pere Pinard on the LES. Metisse near Columbia has especially excellent food in this category, but is a much older, more sedate scene.

A personal pick - Beyoglu - on the Upper East Side (where it seems you won't be going), this place has really fantastic Turkish food, perhaps the best in NYC, for not all that much money. A group meal here can be great.

Are you a serious foodie planning on eating somewhere seriously gourmet/expensive? Cuz that's another discussion. I'll note that some of Danny Meyer's restaurants have comparatively cheap options - lunch at the bar at Union Square Cafe, the front room at Gramercy Tavern, the Tabla Bread Bar - that get you their very good (but not life-changing or anything) food and wonderful service for slightly less money.

Michael Daddino - are you the only other UES'er besides me? Am I going to run into you in Eli's (though I never have time to waste money there any more)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 06:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Japanese: East 9th St.: Hasaki (sushi) Yokocho (yakitori), Sobaya (soba), Otafuku (food stall, takoyaki, okonomiyaki, yakisoba), East 8th St.: Yakitori Taisho (yakitori), Go (yakitori), East 10th St. Rai Rai Ken (ramen), Sapporo East (family style) Tribeca&West Village: Zutto (sushi), E. 49th St. Sappporo (ramen)
Thai: East 28th St. Jai Ya Thai (purists can go to Queens location)
Korean: East 32nd St., Soho Woo Lae Oak (chain).
Indian: East 6th&West Village Mitali, 2nd Ave. Haveli, Balduchi (chain), Jackson Heights Jackson Diner.
Deli: 2nd Ave. Deli.
Sweets: Veniero's, E. 11th st. (never been)
Brooklyn: Juniors
Aspirational: Howard Johnson's Midtown


Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 07:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Jackson Heights Jackson Diner

Yes! But Ashoka is better.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 07:57 (twenty-three years ago)

mmm forgot Lombardi's. best pizza for miles. Lou Reed eats there!

Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I knew there was a reason I'd been meaning to go there for awhile! (Ryucihi Sakamoto eats at Honmura An -- Soho soba shop -- but I can't think of much else to recommend it.) What's Ashoka Jody? More dosa?

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:35 (twenty-three years ago)

It's another Indian buffet in Jackson Heights. No dosa on the buffet -- maybe on the regular menu (I've never looked).

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:40 (twenty-three years ago)

But does Lou Reed eat there?

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I will add my approval to the following: Veselka, the fantastic Cuban restaurant that's really cheap at the corner of 1st and 1st in Manhattan, Cafeteria (MMMM the mac & cheese is GRATE + the crowd is echt NYC = Gareth must go), Congee Village, Papaya King for hot dogs.

the upper east side is way underrated. three reasons to visit: the pizza at, fuck, can't remember, it's on like 81st and First Avenue, is my favorite I've had in NYC. I also like Angel's on 63rd and First. and perhaps greatest of all, and a real NYC institution: SERENDIPITY on 60th between 2nd and 3rd. I had my b-day dinner there (thanks again, Andy!) and love it every single time I go there, which isn't frequently enough. HUGE ice cream desserts, good soup and regular U.S. fare (nachos, burgers, chicken) done really well. the interior design is SICK--basically it's '70s nostalgia for the '30s. Andy Warhol ate there regularly, and it's where John & Yoko went for ice cream after John got his green card. Love it love it love it.

I live around the corner from Curry Hill, the heavily Indian-restaurant populated area of Murray Hill, and there are quite a few good places there. what I remain a perpetual sucker for, however, is Curry in a Hurry on 28th and Lexington--quick, delicious, well priced (big chicken tikka masala platter w/rice, naan and vegetable side is $9.19 including tax) and once you go upstairs to eat very atmospheric, w/blue walls and one of about three Bollywood flix playing silently on a small TV screen, huge picture windows to look out of. (plus Gareth can compare it to similar UK spots.)

and hell yes stay away from Dojo.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Cafeteria is hella overrated y'all.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:45 (twenty-three years ago)

But '70s nostalgia for the '30s is where it's at.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I also like Angel's on 63rd and First.

Seconded, although I haven't been there in years.

Curry in a Hurry is k-classiXor.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:49 (twenty-three years ago)

When you guys say 1st and 1st do you mean Boca Chica? Please tell me there's a good restauraunt at 1st and 1st.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Boca Chica is the one, yeah. and :-p about Cafeteria

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I miss Ed Debevic's. But we've always got the Bendix. :-)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:15 (twenty-three years ago)

for good, ridiculously large dosas: Madras Mahal (in Curry Hill)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:21 (twenty-three years ago)

New York is terrible for sushi though. There are so many sushi bars in the city, but they mostly serve the same boring choices [tuna, salmon, yellowtail, shrimp, and a california roll] - and they're not even all that fresh... But they all count on the fact that most people can't tell the different either way. Also, they make the fish pieces way too big so that people are impressed, but what they're getting for their money is a big slab of not-so-fresh fish. Like at Japonica or Yama or Tomoe. Nobu was okay, though the real draw there is their non-sushi menu, like the famous black cod with miso. Next Door Nobu has cheap'ish soba too if you want to see what all the hype was about but not pay thru the nose. Anyhow, its impossible to get good cheap sushi. If the sushi is cheap, that means they bought a cheap fish. But then again, just because it's expensive doesn't mean its that great either.

Though Jewel Bako in the East Village is really truly fantastic, really super-expensive. One piece of otoro is $20. The omakase is either $70 or $100. And don't arrive hungry, because you'll leave hungry. Oooh, but my favorite is Sushi Hatsu on 1st avenue and like 58th street. It's open till maybe 2am and they have the widest variety of fish [many flown in from japan] and THE freshest yummiest fish on the east coast. They have maybe 50 varieties of fish including many I've never heard of - but the waiter can explain what the differences are. It's crazy expensive though. And they only take American Express.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:27 (twenty-three years ago)

what is ghenet like? khyber pass?

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Hm. Take me to all these good places when I visit again.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

So what's Les Halles like? Is it as hyperactive as Bourdain's writing? (not that he's there that much anymore apparently)

chris (chris), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

actually, the pizza place i was talking about is arturos i think. it is not that famous or well known but i loved it last time i was there.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

My word I went to Lombardi's. Nobody told me I was running the risk of bumping into Reed. That would have been awful.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Les Halles is greasy and French and pretty great for rue de camier/bleary eyes in the 1e chic. A good Frenchy default.

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Cafeteria is perfectly fine but there are so many beter places to eat in Chelsea. Park is not one of them.

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I like where Matos wrote "gareth must go." It reminds me of Jade from BBC BB2 (I think 2?).

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Les Halles is the joint where Anthony Bourdain chefs, I've got a lot of respect for him. I like down home country french cookery.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

New York is terrible for sushi though.

in my experience, this is somewhat true (while not exactly terrible) not only for NYC but for anywhere off the pacific rim. you can only freeze seafood for so long before you sacrifice freshness.

that being said: nobu nyc was really great ALL THINGS CONSIDERED (ie, far lesser than nobu la and on par with nobu vega$). i will be going to the original nobu next month... anyone ever been?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:19 (twenty-three years ago)

which is where?

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:26 (twenty-three years ago)

omotesando/aoyamagakuinchumae, minatoku (tokyo)

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

aha

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never been to Les Halles and I only live four blocks away! Must make up for that shortly. (I hear it's pretty expensive, though, which is not good if like me yr on something of a budget.)

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

gosh i am getting hungry. here is a more specific question. where in nyc should i go to get steak bearnaise mit pommes frites? ("mit" is german bcz that is where i first had bearnaise ;-)

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to go to Kybher Pass all the time when I was in college. It was pretty good. When I came back from Japan the only sushi I could eat without gagging was at hasaki and zutto. (Nobu is good but fancy not like real Japanese sushi.)

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 23:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Good cheap Dominican food is at El Castillo de Jagua on Rivington.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 00:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I’d like to try that. Not sure which hog parts are the best of those many options. I may not be ready for brain.

Reading the reviews of that place it seems people get really bothered about what is an authentic taco, and Californians are the worst about it.

Josefa, Friday, 18 October 2024 18:37 (one year ago)

It seemed hella authentic to me and I've had tacos in some spots in LA.

You can just order some surtidas tacos, which are all the parts mixed together.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 18 October 2024 18:55 (one year ago)

fwiw californias often don't respect that a lot of mexicans in new york are not from the same area as many of the mexicans in LA and thus the food is different.

dan selzer, Friday, 18 October 2024 21:30 (one year ago)

Very true and people are also shocked by the price points of tacos in Manhattan and trendy BK spots.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 18 October 2024 21:43 (one year ago)

that they're high or low? I've felt the sting, it was one of those things were they seemed to pretty dependably 2 dollar or 2.50 each for many many years and now they've gone up to at lest 3 and up to 5 but to be honest I don't usually feel like I'm getting ripped off UNLESS it's one of those trendy spots where they have the tiny tacos and it's 3 for 20+ bucks or something.

What I always hate is places, and it's usually the "nicer" places but not always, that don't let you mix and match, it's just 2 or 3 of 1 type of taco.

I just went to one of my favorite spots for the first time in years. Great Burrito on 23rd st near 6th Ave. It's a literal hole in the wall that for years also sold pizza, though I'm glad they stopped. I used to think the tacos were just OK, but I'd get a bistec encoballado platter with all the trimmings and it was great. I got some basic tacos the other day and they were great. Part of the joy of the place though is the location. When I first started going there 10 or so years ago when I started working in flatiron it already seemed like an outlier. Now it's like from a different planet. Like there's a million places like it on Roosevelt Ave or Sunset Park, even a few in the east village/LES or way uptown, but nothing like that in this neighborhood.

There actually is one other place...some weird spot on 6th ave that's like a deli/bagel shop that has a full mexican menu. Seems like the kind of place that was a deli/bagel shop where all the cooks were mexican, which is most deli/bagel/whatever places in NYC, but they just decided to add tacos and tortas to the mix and run with it.

dan selzer, Saturday, 19 October 2024 00:57 (one year ago)

$4 food truck tacos good enough for me. Extra green sauce

calstars, Saturday, 19 October 2024 01:02 (one year ago)

There actually is one other place...some weird spot on 6th ave that's like a deli/bagel shop that has a full mexican menu. Seems like the kind of place that was a deli/bagel shop where all the cooks were mexican, which is most deli/bagel/whatever places in NYC, but they just decided to add tacos and tortas to the mix and run with it.

is this is the place between 13th and 14th? love this spot. milanesa tortas are very dependable in a neighborhood with generally poor lunch options.

adam, Saturday, 19 October 2024 12:46 (one year ago)

Yes. I usually only walk down that way because a block or two south of that there are two Japanese shops with food options and dumb toys and erasers and stuff to buy for my daughter. I'm usually hoping they have spam musubi.

dan selzer, Saturday, 19 October 2024 13:38 (one year ago)

Oh wow I used to eat regularly at that bagel/mexican spot next to Urban Outfitters on 14th. Glad to read they're still there.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 20 October 2024 13:57 (one year ago)

two weeks pass...

Downtown Burritos (1st Ave. between 4th & 5th) worth the stop too - especially if you love chile verde. Between this place and the Birria-Landia truck at Houston & Bowery it's very difficult to get homesick for CA-style Mexican food

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:02 (one year ago)

RIP Erin McKenna's Bakery on Broome St. The food was always great, but the place played a major role in me and Ms. T's courtship. Completely bummed

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:07 (one year ago)

Does anyone know a good place to get a good cocktail and some food (nice burger, whatever) in Astoria?

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:22 (one year ago)

i should be able to answer this but i’m kind of struggling to think of a place that has both. best cocktails in the neighborhood are at diamond dogs, a bar you are allowed to bring food into, and it is surrounded by a few really excellent places, all within a few steps (il bambino (great sandwiches imo), djerdan (burek), even the chinese place golden dragon is solid and soooo cheap. there’s also bareburger (adequate) and milkflower (cool if you like shitty truffle pizza, idk some people do, i hate them))

ivy., Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:27 (one year ago)

oh a solid place that might have what you’re looking for is oliver’s, on broadway. i can’t remember their cocktails rn but other ppl rep for them, the food is unspectacular but consistently good imo

ivy., Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:30 (one year ago)

What about Sek'end Sun and Bonnies?

I don't have specific memories of those places being great, just know they were decent joints.

Not cheap but Mar's was always good.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:42 (one year ago)

The Bonnie, not Bonnies.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:47 (one year ago)

i have definitely been to the bonnie and enjoyed myself but can't remember anything concrete. sek'end sun will do but to me that's very much a "will do" kind of place

ivy., Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:53 (one year ago)

i have eaten at zyara on steinway street multiple times in the past six weeks. beef shawarma is killer.

adam, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:58 (one year ago)

Thanks for the recommendations. My friend suggested The Pomeroy, so that's where we are going. Will report back.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 8 November 2024 13:22 (one year ago)

My friend who just moved there, I should specify, he hasn't been.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 8 November 2024 13:23 (one year ago)

four months pass...

Marlow & Sons in Williamsburg is apparently closing after 21 years in business

Josefa, Saturday, 5 April 2025 20:00 (one year ago)

That’s the end of an era.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 5 April 2025 20:19 (one year ago)

nevermind that - the pencil factory is closing

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 5 April 2025 21:17 (one year ago)

i have eaten at zyara on steinway street multiple times in the past six weeks. beef shawarma is killer.

Went there today and yeah, it’s delicious

calstars, Monday, 7 April 2025 00:53 (one year ago)


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