Match of the Day vs The Premiership

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the thing is with james richardson though, I'm not sure how well he'd rub up with PUNDITS, ie he always comes across as a lone-gun (relies on scripted catch-lines etc) but that's probably just preconception/ie my thoughts being moulded by what I'm used to seeing him do. but, it would be weird if he did have a panel to consult with; it'd have to more highbrow than the townsend-mccoist axis though (for high-brow read better).

dwh (dwh), Saturday, 28 December 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

anyway, david (that's me), who says there needs to be discussion? do we really need a panel? well, it does bring a bit of variety to discussion, you get settled CHARACTERS, you learn what they're going to say, what they won't say, and when they do say what they won't then you get shocks, and you also get comfort and that's what was great about MotD, they seemed to have these 3D (4D?) "characters" whereas the premiership (maybe just unfamiliarity again, or just not having watched it enough) seems to be trying to force 'personality' where the pundits don't really have any (For 'don't really have any' read they're not interesting as Lawro/Hansen).

dwh (dwh), Saturday, 28 December 2002 15:12 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, i don't know. i like james richardson, but i think MotD/Prem NEEDS discussion to make it what it was.

dwh (dwh), Saturday, 28 December 2002 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I am a purist in these matters. There should be no adverts, no panel, no presenter and no commentary. I'll allow edited highlights though because I am also a pragmatist.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 28 December 2002 15:17 (twenty-three years ago)

The football shall not leave the floor of the pitch.

- N. (dwh), Saturday, 28 December 2002 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Keep it on the floor lad, leave up there for the angels.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 28 December 2002 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

ur right viz richardson on second thought i'd rather he stay unemployed than have to try and bounce off itv idiots. it's prob a testament to football italia that it's impossible to recreate parts of it out of context

(he could at least do something that'd replace "premiership parliament" or "on the ball" though)

n: football has never been that pure

bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 28 December 2002 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

It has in my wordless dreams.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 28 December 2002 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

1. NB: Steady Mike's prescience re. Tactics Truck.

2. All who've said that ITV 'try to hard to create "personality"' are OTM - it's been one of the problems from the start, really.

3. TS: Premiership Parliament vs The Premiership on Monday

the pinefox, Saturday, 28 December 2002 20:58 (twenty-three years ago)

N., you are crazy. Every time I've gone to a match in a stadium, where I could smell the grass, I've sat there thinking, "It's nearly football, but where's the commentary & the replays & the stats?"

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Saturday, 28 December 2002 21:36 (twenty-three years ago)

prem on monday classic for cramming so many pundits behind one table

couldn't watch the thing with that fat girl last season

bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 28 December 2002 23:55 (twenty-three years ago)

matt "punster" smith c/d?

bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 28 December 2002 23:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh - Matt's not that fat.

the pinefox, Sunday, 29 December 2002 00:16 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
There has never been a thread about The Premiership on Monday.

Yet I think it must have been the greatest event in ITV football coverage for many a year.

This season - its only season? Or did it run last year too? yes, I suppose it did - I think I have watched... *every edition*.

It has made me happy, that programme.

It signed off the other night, with little fanfare. My earlier-season wonderings of whether Matt Smith would finally see a need to haul in c.8 panellists to review the season proved baseless.

Yet Smith did say something sparky re. the final Stat of the Day. Was it -- 'A Last Chance For you to get Lost with Lust'? Or was it still more elaborate than that?

Clive Allen, in this final edition, demonstrated how his authority as pundit has grown.

Smith ended it all with a comment about things looking good for Liverpool. I suppose that's how he would always have wanted to end it.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it was 'A last list to get you lost in lust'. Re: the 'Champagne Moment' of the year.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i enjoy Nationwide League Extra that little bit more personally

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I enjoyed the Premiership trivia tho. Only five teams have won the Div 1 play-offs and not gone straight back to Div 1 the following season.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

meg is/was a big fan of PoM, although i think it got a bit too chummy (also andy townsend should be shot, but that's by the by) and the ex-footballers were always far too willing to slap down the journos who occassionally appeared. Matt Smith is good though, i hope ITV find something decent for him to do.

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

4 pundits is waaay too many people for anything other than Sky's Soccer Saturday. i'd keep Allen and Atkinson and send the others packing.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

what about robbie earle? are you some sort of ronnist?

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd move Earle to Dimbleby's Sunday lunchtime slot

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm humbled to have remembered a Matt Smith moment far worse than the Nipper.

Yes, Townsend is a dead loss. So is Earle, save perhaps for comic value. I am touched to see Stevem backing Clive.

I don't think it's true that they slapped down journos. Certainly Barclay vs Atkinson was a Battle Ronald, I mean, Royale.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post: I'd give Smith a job as a lecturer in English somewhere.)

the bellefox, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"Romeo & Juliet, lads... it's basically about sex, isn't it?"

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Does anyone miss Venison?

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Interesting.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

(No.)

the bellefox, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

ITV even had Jason Dozzell as a pundit once, astounding.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Was he as good as Shaun Bartlett on the African Nations Cup coverage?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

fight the real enemy (John Barnes PRESENTING on Five) people

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I like watching that.

the bluefox, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

gavin peacock was surprisingly good on the ACoN, and will, in my ideal world, remove schmichael (sp?) from the beeb coverage by the end of the summer

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

yes Peacock is good but why the surprise?

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

they're all ex-Chelsea these boys - Townsend (yes, should be shot), C.Allen (dunno), Peacock (OK probably). Who will appear next from the CFC class of 90-94? Dimitri Kharine? Eddie Newton? Seriously, Le Saux has book-learning, but maybe too much and will probably leave footie behind. Some might say that after moving to Soton, he has already.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

The Premiership is typified for me by "The Tactics Truck"... Need I say more really...? :)

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

But we are not, here, talking about The Premiership, but The Premiership on Monday -- which is, believe me, a different kettle of stats.

In (Barrow In) Fairness (Ron), the Tactics Truck is long gone. It went out with Herbie and his bananas.

Nice one, Doc. Maybe Hoddle!

the pinefox, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, missed t' italics or 'erted commas.

Why was the name of the league changed from 'The Premier League' to 'The Premiership', anyway?

The Truck may be literally gone, but its ethos has lived on; whenever I saw "The Premiership" in the last season it had some equivalent irrelevancy; Andy Townsend and the rest trying to remember 'all 16 Scandinavian players to have scored a goal in the Premiership since it started...' & c.

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

What will you miss about The Premiership? I guess we all know what we won't miss (the 'bigthreecentricity' in commentary, interviews and analysis; the preference for chat over action; Townsned and earle etc etc). But is there anything that was outstandingly good? Will nu-MotD actually do it properly or will they lamely adopt what ITV did badly for the sake of ratings?

Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

PS Matt Smith does give the impression that he's struggling to rein in his sexuality, that he's actually dying to say something like 'Ooh he's nice'. He is a decent presenter, it must be said.

Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Andy Townsend is just master of the obvious. "I'll tell you something, they've lost 3 games in a row and they're bottom of the league, they'll be thinking 'we need to shape up', but it's not going to happen overnight is it"

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes.

Are you saying Matt Smith is gay? I doubt it.

What I will miss: The Premiership on Monday.

Perhaps I have not yet made that clear.

the bellefox, Thursday, 13 May 2004 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

the last premiership ...

no more Andy Townsend ! YES

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 15 May 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked Desmond's sign-off, on Sunday morning.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

didn't Townsend appear as a pundit on the BBC first?

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

stevem,

Are those five teams promoted via the play offs just since the start of the premiership? or does it include the old 2nd div play off's? Because if it is just since the start of the premiership I would say that five teams is a really high number.

Davel (Davel), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

no, premiership only - Blackburn, Ipswich, Leicester, Bolton, Birmingham i think

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I will miss absolutely sweet fuck all about ITV. I hate the channel anyway, and their football more so. I was mightly disappointed that there was no sign off on Saturday.

The PoM - words cannot express how much I despise this show. Truly truly truly. The same sort of cockfarmers who work in football marketing infest this utter shower of shite. Champagne moment? Fact of Fiction? WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK? They had this idea that if they thought it was good for a laugh on set, it would be in real life in TV land. This is not true, because they are meejar cunts.

The idea was tactics talk like its down the pub. It is wrong on several levels - down the pub chat is usually shite - that is the point. I want analysis that shows me things I couldn't see. I want straight down the line authoritative - BBC at its best does these things. I fear that MOTD's team are usually so giddy to be back to together that they get all silly. Also, it wasn't realistic, as a player would have said 'fuck tactics - look at the tits on her'.

PS - employ Steve Claridge. Very perceptive on 5Live. Unlike Carlton Palmer.

PPS -Matt Smith's look to camera made me want to kick my screen in. Everytime I try to type what it is about him that irks me so, I end up like a Tasmanian Devil whirling around in madness.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

it never reached the height of Ron's threat to chin Andy Townsend.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

never again, even

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

In general I don't really agree with Boyle here - yet there is sense in much of what he says. I think that the big BBC problem is new pundits: Wright, Dixon, Smeichel et al - who are no patch on the old.

the bluefox, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

It is often the case that I get a sense they are playing games - trying to say a daft word as many times as possibe, for example. There is a minor betting scoop here somewhere

^sounds exactly like something Shearer would do. I remember when he was playing for England he got a bet going where they tried to get as many song titles into interviews - the one and only time I found him mildly amusing.

meta the devil you know (onimo), Sunday, 26 September 2010 09:19 (fifteen years ago)

[Murray reprised it in world cup 2010, instance of his hyperactive self-conscious 1998 retro style]

the pinefox, Sunday, 26 September 2010 10:07 (fifteen years ago)

I'm not sure but I think John Motson's strange commentary last week was at least partly the result of him not having mastered the technique of commentating on recorded highlights and making it sound like you were actually there at the game (someone above alluded to this issue as well). Last night his commentary sounded more like his old self. I can't remember which match it was, but I believe he was at the game and his commentary was 'live' in this case. Having said that, there is something going on with him and his voice. He may not have the lung capacity he used to, so he sounds a bit breathless and quiet at the best of times.

dubmill, Sunday, 26 September 2010 10:23 (fifteen years ago)

Shearer calling David Silva David Villa twice and Lineker having to correct him.

Lineker forgetting to ask Hansen for his Liverpool analysis was great. Mentioned it in the other thread but his Ginola joke got completely lost in all that, too. Funny stuff.

The referee was perfect (Chris), Sunday, 26 September 2010 11:38 (fifteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Enjoyed MotD's final-day montage of games, but Mowbray is unbearable, the worst of all the BBC's commentators: it's awful that he's mysteriously been promoted to pole position.

the pinefox, Sunday, 22 May 2011 22:36 (fifteen years ago)

John Motson referring to Arsenal's "more attacking formation". I always thought they were too defensive.

Chris, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:08 (fifteen years ago)

Final montage showing Lineker telling Hansen he'd forgotten to ask him for his LFC analysis

as discussed upthread.

the pinefox, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:29 (fifteen years ago)

Mowbray has a weird throaty voice and a perpetual tone of melodramatic "well that's a turn up for the fucking books" pomposity; I feel like every sentence he says is like Christian Bale sarcastically shouting "A DA-DAH DA-DAH" at a director of photography, but slowed down

MPx4A, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:31 (fifteen years ago)

that montage was the vilest thing ever, made kurt kren look like ozu

nakhchivan, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:32 (fifteen years ago)

Mowbray is horribly presumptuous - ie he seems to be always making presumptions about what YOU are thinking, when it's only what he is thinking.

Pomposity and irony together, yes, very bad. And he's been made #1.

the pinefox, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:35 (fifteen years ago)

WOULD, YOU, beLIEVE it

MPx4A, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:38 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua9hYey-uHw

nakhchivan, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:39 (fifteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/EjZ7d.jpg

nakhchivan, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:41 (fifteen years ago)

GM kind of dreadful even in that short clip - the faux-geezer attempt to ingratiate himself. Repellent overall.

the pinefox, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:42 (fifteen years ago)

Failing to ingratiate yourself in a faux-geezer way with Mark Lawrenson, man

MPx4A, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:44 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.theworldcupingermany.com/artman/uploads/webfeed_new.gif

nakhchivan, Sunday, 22 May 2011 23:46 (fifteen years ago)

I thought Motson's effusive coverage of the 7th* most important game of the day was a delight. Bless him.

(* - in order of presentation, anyway; EFC-Chelsea was perhaps the least meaningful game of the day - Everton might have dropped a place and Chelsea were only mathematically threatened by Man City, but that was it - but it was up after the relegation battle).

Michael Jones, Monday, 23 May 2011 00:27 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

mew MOTD contract agreed - finally with iPlayer availability (from Monday evenings)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18205519

the dumbest fuck to have ever existed (onimo), Friday, 25 May 2012 12:31 (fourteen years ago)

Hmm, I tend to catch up with MOTD on Sunday, double-header with MOTD2, so although welcome, this is virtually useless to me. Looks like I'm sticking with t0rr3nt3 for now. What's so special about monday evenings?

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Friday, 25 May 2012 12:38 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

Alan Hansen just completed his last Match of the Day.

Moving.

the pinefox, Sunday, 11 May 2014 23:10 (twelve years ago)

managed to get a plug in for Sherwood before he went at least

Number None, Sunday, 11 May 2014 23:18 (twelve years ago)

Thanks for the memories Sherwood.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 12 May 2014 10:25 (twelve years ago)

Will he ever get the forest gig

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Monday, 12 May 2014 10:50 (twelve years ago)

ten years pass...

"Marquee Moon" on Match of the Day?

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 February 2025 22:33 (one year ago)


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