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Thursday, 20:00
Radio Ha Ha

Radio 4 turns over the airwaves to solid gold laughter, as Steve Punt joins up with a host of stars, backstage movers and industry shakers from the comedy industry with a two-hour special.

Variety shows and radio were the traditional routes to comedy fame and fortune, but what about today? Super agents, DVD sales, straight-to-TV stars; where does radio fit in? Steve and a panel of guests pick apart the laughter seam of the modern comedy industry, as well as generating a few jokes along the way.

Includes News Summary at 9.00pm.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link

In any given episode of "Extras", it could be 15% "brilliant", 25% "passable" and 60% "rubbish/obvious"...

like swimming in a cool sea and passing through a warm current, etc...

Where are the standards of today, I ask you.
I don't have a Wikipedia entry either.

-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...)

Oh, have I got one?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

you are diligently referenced on both j harris' and a petridis' though marcello.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

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mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

before that little derail folks was talkin' about the public / critical reaction to extras s2. the critical raves so often feel like wishful thinking. wanting, needing to have that generation defining masterpiece happening on your watch. i have yet to meet anyone who regards extras as anything other than ok or entertaining.

also on the bad can someone please put Have I Got News For You out of its misery.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

At the risk of inviting hate mail, I'd argue that Gervais and Merchant's second sitcom is, objectively, a patchy programme.

At the risk of, on this reviewer's logic, inviting lynch-mobs to my door, I'd argue that Extras was shite.

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Radio Ha Ha is great. I was fooled by it the first time.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

sometimes writers employ rhetorical devices.

xpost

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

wait, i'm thinking of that other thing on radio 4. carry on. xpost

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: Yes, but I still think the sentence panders unnecessarily towards Extras when it can really go for the kill instead.

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link

'This week: Worzel says all reggae is vile.' thread actually linked to from John Harris wikipedia!

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link

A handful of contributors to the I Love Music boards have strongly attacked what they as a thread of covert racism in some of his work

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

david quantick wrote a book about chris rock?

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS COMING OUT OF MY QUIZZICALLY PURSED LIPS?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

to get off the hate and link to Quantick... TV Burp is back on Saturday! woo! Harry on this year's CBB should be a joy.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

for reference or summat from the green wing thread:

To put things into context: Harry Hill aside, all British TV Comedy right now is total shit.

-- Ruairi Wirewool (horseproduction...), January 15th, 2007. (Ruairi Wirewool) (later)


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what were the chances of that happening?
-- mark grout (mark.grou...), January 15th, 2007. (mark grout) (later)


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If you can put CT and Green Wing on a par, you truly show a lack of discernment IMO.
Frankly, now that GW has been and gone, I'm inclined to agree with Ruairi, minus the bit about Harry Hill.

-- You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (papiermachealamphibia...), January 15th, 2007. (Haberdager) (later)


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If you can put CT and Green Wing on a par, you truly show a lack of discernment IMO.
no it's just a 'higher' (or rather 'stricter') level of discernment.

-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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'the thick of it' will be back, later in the year, and so will 'peep show'.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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but in a another more accurate sense...
-- mark s (mar...), January 15th, 2007. (mark s) (later)


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but then i do like Harry Hill so it's apples and roundabouts.
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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rubbish
-- RJG (RJ...), January 15th, 2007. (RJG) (later)


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so you keep saying
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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RJG's TV Burp
-- Dom Passantino (juror...), January 15th, 2007. (Dom Passantino) (later)


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Hmm. I was only talking about currently-running comedy shows. If Peep Show returns for a fourth bite at the cherry (and TTOI for a second), I will only be too delighted. Of course, the one I'm really looking out for is Nathan Barley II.
-- You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (papiermachealamphibia...), January 15th, 2007. (Haberdager) (later)


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i think it would be a big ask for there to be a 'great' uk comedy series to be running all 52 weeks of the year. i have low standards perhaps; but i don't ask for a 'great' film each month either.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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of course i too want 'nathan barley' back.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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They could drop scissors on a dog's head this time.
-- Dom Passantino (juror...), January 15th, 2007. (Dom Passantino) (later)


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uh, rose-tinted view there i reckon - but at least it was generating interesting discussion.
one episode of Screen Wipe a month would be good. ditto TV Burp.

-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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ha ha Dom OTM
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)


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as with 'green wing', take away the hype and the expectation it'll live up to 'the day today' and 'nathan barley' was 23 minutes well-spent. i lolled anyway.
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), January 15th, 2007. (Enrique) (later)


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i didn't laugh more than i did laugh etc.
-- vita susicivus (n...), January 15th, 2007. (blueski) (later)

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

We're, what, 18 months away from NB now? Can we work out why it was so bad and so hated yet?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

we already did!

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

like, 5 minutes after the end credits!

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm talking about THE BENEFIT OF DISTANCE AND HINDSIGHT

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Charlie Brooker's Monday G2 column is weird because you can see the video game journalist in him threatening to break through at any moment. qf the Geoff Capes gag in today's etc.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Louis you seem to be assuming that the guy from the Indie actually thinks Extras is shite, which isn't what he's saying. Something can be patchy and still have plenty of redeeming features overall

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

It wasn't bad. It was funny, well-drawn and turn-itself-inside-out clever, not to mention superbly casted and acted. It needs re-watching cos it skips from one idea to the next so quick, but yeh, it's awesome.

And Screen Wipe rocks.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Brooker should start doing his columns in cartoon strip form, like those ads for some gaming shop or other that were always in Gamesmaster magazine

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

ok 'nathan barley' in the oh-7: that corner of east london had probably lost its edge well before 2005, but now it feels even less edgy. the kind of magazine the show is lampooning is long gone. i have even forgotten the name of that sleazenation guy the guardian hired. but there were some very good throwaway gags.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

the IT crowd was about 300 times better than nathan barley if we're talking post being any good chris morris.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i know a person who knows the redhead, from that.

it was good, but not 300 times better than 'nathan barley'.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

30 times?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

IT Crowd would've been a lot better without the Irish guy.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

no. i actually disagree that it's better, but even if i dodn't i wouldn't say more than 1.5 times.

xpost

steve otm

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

it had jokes and didn't feel like an attempt to make a big insightful statement about something. nathan barley missed so many targets, pulled so many punches and generally got the tone wrong (we should HATE NB) that for me at least its glaring faults overrid any of it's mildly amusing qualities.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

well this was the thing, we weren't entirely supposed to hate nathan barley.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you sure that's not just because they fucked up the characterisation?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

oh he was hateable enough but his foil dan ashcroft, ie the viewers, was not much better. and i guess you can hate someone and be jealous of them.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

if you don't hate him what's the point? the original tv go home columns had him (or maybe it was his frineds) getting blowjobs from underage hookers and stuff. in the tv show he's just bloke in a silly hat who says daft things. how are we supposed to give a shit about might boosh man if all he's supposedly kicking against are people who are a bit silly? they could have created a proper comedy monster but it was just nothing.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

the original tv go home columns had him (or maybe it was his frineds) getting blowjobs from underage hookers and stuff.

this happened in the show except he thought she turned out not be under-age (at which point NB thinking it now okay to pretend she WAS under-age was actually quite a clever little point about...something or other).

i did hate NB but yes no less than anyone else around him.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

no more, rather

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought that was kinda the idea, that NB was a harmless berk, mooching around London and getting into scrapes like a coked up Shaggy, and DA (because of his own self-loathing) decides to not sort himself out, but instead write columns about how idiotic the rest of the world is.

Actually, scratch that, that's not the idea at all. It's funny caricatures falling into situations and scrambling to return to the status quo whilst simultaneously being trapped; a very old-fashioned sitcom thread. I certainly didn't feel that is was trying to make a big insightful statement about something, at least, nothing larger than "it's better to like something than to dislike something."

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

the barley getting a bj ep was better than any 'it crowd'.

'THIR-FUCKING-TEEN'.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Acrobat OTM.
In TV Go Home, 'Cunt' was unbridled misanthropy. 'Nathan Barley' gave us a guy who was a bit of a tool. You could forgive Barley being sympathetic if it was an entirely naturalistic piece, but the tone was so inconsistent.

In fairness, I guess originally Barley wasn't really a character, just a cipher, and in making him human Morriss and Brooker made him more, er, human. I just don't think that made for great comedy. It wasn't sharp enough to be genuine satire and it wasn't silly enough to be knockabout comedy. It was just 'dark'.

Ruairi Wirewool (Ruairi Wirewool), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

on a thread that started with a load of gervais bashing... Barley should have been presented more like david brent. deluded, egotistical, actually unpleasant but whom we might in the end feel some sympathy for. all the "idiots" seemed nice, there was so sense of infighting or bitchiness which seemed wrong to me. also they could have had some more funny lines.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

So was the "nicening" of NB down to Brooker, Morris, or Channel 4 themselves?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

what do YOU think?

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

'Cunt' was very funny in TVGH, on the whole, but a half-hour show on actual telly where he actually did those things would have probably been a bit shit to say the least

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I've just rememberd Baddiel's Syndrome again.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

lost classic?

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

certainly one of those two

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Should have been 30 minutes each week of David Baddiel pointing out who people look like.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Or a study of people who keep saying things sarcastically even if they mean it sincerely (this may be more Newman Syndrome tho).

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

those baddiel and skinner unplanned episodes are the nadir of something or rather. some cultural wave definetely died on that sofa. faux laddism or whatever john harris, james brown called it finally dying on it's arse as middle aged men bullying people without microphones.

acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Season 7 for example it was gender based, Jessica Knappett is the same age as Acaster and Phil Wang but got paired with Kerry Godliman.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 19 April 2024 11:07 (one month ago) link

The pairings aren't always age-based: Frankie Boyle and Ivo Graham developed a weird father-son relationship in the Series 15 group tasks, for example.

Wry & Slobby (Portsmouth Bubblejet), Friday, 19 April 2024 11:55 (one month ago) link

I would have guessed Sophie was second oldest by a few years. She's had a hard paper round and is being played in the 'slightly crazy/menopausal woman' personality slot on the panel.

Overtoun House windows (aldo), Friday, 19 April 2024 12:26 (one month ago) link

I was surprised as well but yeah she was born in '87!

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 19 April 2024 12:28 (one month ago) link

I honestly don't know how old I thought Sophie was, but I'd absolutely have gone "older than Joanne" every day of the week.

ailsa, Friday, 19 April 2024 12:51 (one month ago) link

aw I thought *every* reflection of nick had been removed but it's only the ones in that task.

ledge, Friday, 19 April 2024 20:23 (one month ago) link

Yeah I would've swapped Sophie and Joanne's real ages! (36 & 40 respectively)

chap, Saturday, 20 April 2024 12:26 (one month ago) link

Sophie has definite eccentric aunt vibes

chap, Saturday, 20 April 2024 12:27 (one month ago) link

I've been trying to work out who Nick Mohammed reminds me of and just realised it's Bobby G (the one from Bucks Fizz)

Platinum Penguin Pavilion (soref), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 10:34 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/cryptic/29186

koogs, Saturday, 4 May 2024 17:15 (two weeks ago) link

^ the pembleton crossword

koogs, Saturday, 4 May 2024 17:16 (two weeks ago) link

Watched the episode last night. Picking away at the crossword, I've got about half done.

ledge, Monday, 13 May 2024 13:49 (one week ago) link

aside from a kind of boring cast, this season also seems to have more team tasks and more tasks that are about creativity (like make a portrait of this person using the contents of the hamper), which are usually less fun imo

na (NA), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:14 (one week ago) link

they were more fun, dare i say it, when it was lucy and sam doing it...

koogs, Monday, 13 May 2024 14:53 (one week ago) link

(or bob or sally...)

koogs, Monday, 13 May 2024 14:53 (one week ago) link

i just prefer when the contestants are stressed out and tortured, not making fun drawings or videos or whatever

na (NA), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:56 (one week ago) link

i agree this series is lacking something, there's no great spark between any of the contestants in the studio. anyway i finished the xword, had to reveal three or four but all solid clues imo, great job.

ledge, Monday, 13 May 2024 15:05 (one week ago) link

steve and nick are the first people i've seen posting about their experiences on twitterx, which is nice. but maybe that's just an algorithm thing.

koogs, Monday, 13 May 2024 15:21 (one week ago) link

I like the creative tasks. I agree that this series has generally been less laugh-out-loud funny than some, but I've still found it enjoyable in a more low key, gently amusing way. Maybe it's because there are fewer stand up comics than usual? (or at least fewer comedians who do wisecracking, riffing stuff rather than more character stuff?)

Platinum Penguin Pavilion (soref), Monday, 13 May 2024 19:36 (one week ago) link

I find all the contestants likeable enough now (Nick is just hardcore adorable), but yeah not the funniest bunch.

Some of Greg's recent postmortems have been suffocatingly hilarious, on the other hand.

chap, Monday, 13 May 2024 19:48 (one week ago) link

the channel 4 streaming service had some episodes of the Swedish version of Taskmaster available a while ago, and the Swedish one felt a bit like this, mostly not uproariously funny but the participants were all likeable and it was fun to watch, sometimes you don't want to see people straining to be funny or wring every last drop of comic possibility out of every riff.

Platinum Penguin Pavilion (soref), Monday, 13 May 2024 19:58 (one week ago) link

I absolutely can't go Joanne McNally but the rest of them are very amiable and amusing without being annoying, and I also wish they had better tasks.

ailsa, Monday, 13 May 2024 21:12 (one week ago) link

Agree on both counts.

trishyb, Monday, 13 May 2024 23:06 (one week ago) link

Aw she's a bit grating but basically quite sweet.

chap, Tuesday, 14 May 2024 07:07 (one week ago) link


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