Bertie was a wrong 'un. No question.
I'm slightly more inclined to believe that Cowen and Lenihan were victims of circumstance, to a degree, but they all bear at least some moral responsibility for their complicity in a patently rotten system.
― модный хипстер (ShariVari), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:01 (twelve years ago) link
it's all the bank guarantee, that's where the country was brought into it. That's brian's baby i'm afraid
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:08 (twelve years ago) link
That's true, and will define whatever legacy he has. I'm not really defending him but i have a sliver of sympathy for anyone dealing with the house of cards that Ahern and the bankers left behind, even if they were in a position to do more about it while it was being constructed.
― модный хипстер (ShariVari), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:22 (twelve years ago) link
oh god don't mention the c word
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:24 (twelve years ago) link
lol
Can't believe this isn't working
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 10:01 (twelve years ago) link
Any sign that other ratings agencies might downgrade?
― модный хипстер (ShariVari), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 11:54 (twelve years ago) link
not really, reports seem to have it as a bit of a pre-emptive move tbh
course, if markets react badly...?
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
cross ref with the abuse thread, but feel like enda was strong today.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0721/1224301063509.html
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
I agree, I was very impressed by him and I've never voted FG in my life.
― gyac, Thursday, 21 July 2011 09:09 (twelve years ago) link
hadn't read the full thing until just now.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0721/1224301061733.html
booming imo
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:35 (twelve years ago) link
bout time people started using the word "rape"
― LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:40 (twelve years ago) link
abuse is far too kind to these guys
yep.
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:45 (twelve years ago) link
In one case, the abuser even officiated at the victim’s own wedding
pretty horrible
― LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:46 (twelve years ago) link
cant even process tbh.
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:51 (twelve years ago) link
v well written speech, credit enda's speechwriter.
― LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:52 (twelve years ago) link
party political stuff devalued it tho
yes
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:54 (twelve years ago) link
xp maybe so, but tbf in context he's announcing a pretty radical departure in attitude towards dealing with the church on this and maybe other issues, and it's correct to note that FF have been complicit in the obfuscation of the church/state divide not just historically, but up to eg the agreement to indemnify the church against the cost of legal settlements as recently as 2002 and since then a marked reluctance to challenge clerical law as a relevant factor in any of this.
The previous govt failed to address these issues, and these issues are an intolerable disgrace. While noting that the state had responsibility for its failings, i think it's allowable and fair to point out that it was a previous administration that allowed the muddy waters to stay muddy for so long.
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:50 (twelve years ago) link
― gyac, Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
that worked out pretty well, huh?
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Friday, 22 July 2011 09:02 (twelve years ago) link
god help me but apts in dublin are beginning to look like half decent value
― Jolout Boy (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 10:24 (twelve years ago) link
prime time going in on nama. Informative but not great analysis.
― Jolout Boy (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
Has anyone been watching The Rise And Fall Of Fianna Fail?
Not sure how much light it sheds but its proving good value on the sniping and self-justification fronts. The brass neck of Bertie's 'nothing to do with me' routine is amazing.
― A little bit like Peter Crouch but with more mobility (ShariVari), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
that's not a new routine tbf, haven't seen this tho
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
ShariVari is not one of us, hence his astonishment at obvious lols like the Bertie routine.
I enjoyed Celia's digs, a lot.
It's on TV3's site but not streaming outside Ireland as far as I can tell.
― gyac, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
ShariVari is not one of us
in what way is he or she not One Of Us?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
I'm English so a lot of the politics is relatively new to me.
― A little bit like Peter Crouch but with more mobility (ShariVari), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
wtf
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
avaunt
avaunt ye sassenach i ses
Have won over gyac's mammy. Will win over the rest of you yet.
― A little bit like Peter Crouch but with more mobility (ShariVari), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
a displayname slagging peter crouch is, admittedly, a fine start
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
ira president?
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Sunday, 18 September 2011 02:55 (twelve years ago) link
lolling v hard and enjoying these disbelieving shutin pricks
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Monday, 19 September 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
poll
o'donoghue ahern mansergh
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Monday, 19 September 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
I see McGuinness has trotted out the "West Brit" insult directed at anyone who doesn't feel comfortable with one of the former Army Council chiefs as our* head of state.
*Not that I get a fucking vote, I bet.
― gyac, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
he has? Wtg mairtin that'll show em
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
Yes. Apparently he's fine to answer questions about the past though, if the time period in question is restricted to the last two years.
― gyac, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
keep it relevant, be fair
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
I bet he has loads of opinions about Jedward!
― gyac, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
was kinda hoping he'd run an open and honest campaign, he has a lot to gain that way imo. Getting agg-defensive on day two makes this a pointless exercise
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
"vote for me and i'll tell the grieving families where their loved ones are buried?"
― gyac, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
hahahaha
― zvookster, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
you'd want a promise that he'll not kill anyone during the term too
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://img.rasset.ie/000512cd-440.jpg
― zvookster, Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
dana is an ugly, ugly person and even though she hasn't a chance it's not good that she's convinced enough councils that she deserved a chance at running.
Is michael d gonna walk this?
Will norris carry the urban centres? Will mcguinness the rural areas?
How does a presidential vote work anyway?
― at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Monday, 10 October 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
idk its been a long time since we had one
― plax (ico), Monday, 10 October 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
Still feel Michael D. will win on transfers as everyone else is objectionable to a majority of the electorate.
― psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Monday, 10 October 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
is dana just talking shit?
― shite pele (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link