who is he, Voldemort?
― Latham Green, Thursday, 26 May 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Greenwals with the latest on the Milhous Obama gang's investigation:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/06/09/wikileaks/index.html
― already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 June 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmmm. Bank Of America documents are still under wraps, something to do with blackmail
― StanM, Sunday, 7 August 2011 08:44 (twelve years ago) link
Didn't see this til Greenwald linked it: 2006 summary execution of Iraqi civilian family by US forces covered up.
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/08/29/cables-reveal-2006-summary-execution-of-civilian-family-in-iraq/
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
think progress mentioned it this morning, too.
we actually have an old thread dedicated to it, under a difficult to search title:
Haditha Massacre in Iraq- Video evidence found
― In the long run, we will all be cyberpunks (Z S), Thursday, 1 September 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
So by mistake WikiLeaks have published *all* cables without x-ing out names and phone numbers. PM's numbers, the phone numbers of the Dutch queen etc, it's all out in the open now. Assange is furious at OpenLeaks, but it seems to be his own mistake.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/01/all-leaked-u-s-cables-were-made-available-online-as-wikileaks-splintered/
Assange's password for the file:
http://content.nos.nl/data/image/xxl/2011/09/01/269054.jpg
― Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 2 September 2011 09:00 (twelve years ago) link
Assange blames The Grauniad
― Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 2 September 2011 09:02 (twelve years ago) link
“We all believe that information should be free, and the Internet should be free.”
― (gr8080), Friday, 2 September 2011 09:08 (twelve years ago) link
Gawker sez Bye Bye, Julian
― Vision Kreayshawn Newsun (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 2 September 2011 09:16 (twelve years ago) link
gawker otm
― max, Friday, 2 September 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
you would say that!
― caek, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
i don't disagree with some of that but it's kinda funny how the standard line of criticism has gone from (or vacillates between) "he releases information indiscriminately/thoughtlessly" and "if you think about it ASSANGE HIMSELF is not transparent". there's a bit of truth in each, to be sure
― frogsb (k3vin k.), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
The main point of the torrent file that was bouncing around was that it was the last resort plan for wikileaks, I thought? It made sense, because if anyone tried to forcibly shut down the organization, they could just distribute the password and it'd all be public.
It sounds like the main issues are: - The copy of the full dump distributed to The Guardian was the same one, and not encrypted with a separate password - The people at The Guardian were covering wikileaks but somehow failed to notice the news that this existed as a torrent - Some genius thought printing an actual password in a book, even if it was assumed to be single-use and defunct, was a great idea
I really think The Guardian guy dropped the ball in a major way, but obviously point #1 is an issue.
― unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Friday, 2 September 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i basically have no sympathy at all with assange/wikileaks in this case.
― max, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think its that the guardian "failed to notice" -- i think its that they literally were not aware of this torrents existence, possibly because wikileaks itself was unaware--the torrent seems to have been uploaded by a different group (which raises its own set of questions)
and, i dunno, i dont think its the guardians responsibility to not print the password they were told was single-use on the offchance that julian assange is such a colossal dumbass he was using it all the time
― max, Friday, 2 September 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS446US446&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Awww.guardian.co.uk+wikileaks+insurance+torrent
It looks like they never directly addressed it in an article, but pretty much every guardian story about wikileaks has had comments about the file.
― unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
Like, if I remember reading about it multiple times and commenters to the Guardian were repeatedly bringing it up for almost the past year, why were reporters who were spending a lot of time covering the story supposedly unaware it existed?
― unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
To clarify, I still think wikileaks/Assange get most of the blame, but the Guardian saying "oh, we didn't know that existed" reads to me as "we haven't actually been paying attention to this thing we have purportedly been covering." Their defense for not knowing is what, that they're shitty journalists?
― unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
oh sorry--my understanding is that this torrent is NOT the insurance file
― max, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
this is one uploaded by a separate group that somehow (again: ???????????????) had access to the database and uploaded the complete unredacted thing sometime last year--possibly without JA's knowledge
― max, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
okay im a little bit wrong, heres what seems to have happened via der speigel:
In the summer of 2010, Assange stored the password-protected file containing the cables in a concealed location on a WikiLeaks server. He gave the password to an external contact to allow him access to the material contained in the file.When Domscheit-Berg left the organization in September 2010 together with a German programmer, the two men took the contents of the server with them, including the encrypted file containing the documents. As a result, Assange no longer had access to the file.At the end of 2010, Domscheit-Berg finally returned to WikiLeaks a collection of various files that he had taken with him, including the encrypted cables. Shortly afterwards, WikiLeaks supporters released a copy of this data collection onto the Internet as a kind of public archive of the documents that WikiLeaks had previously published. The supporters clearly did not realize, however, that the data contained the original cables, as the file was not only encrypted but concealed in a hidden subdirectory.
When Domscheit-Berg left the organization in September 2010 together with a German programmer, the two men took the contents of the server with them, including the encrypted file containing the documents. As a result, Assange no longer had access to the file.
At the end of 2010, Domscheit-Berg finally returned to WikiLeaks a collection of various files that he had taken with him, including the encrypted cables. Shortly afterwards, WikiLeaks supporters released a copy of this data collection onto the Internet as a kind of public archive of the documents that WikiLeaks had previously published. The supporters clearly did not realize, however, that the data contained the original cables, as the file was not only encrypted but concealed in a hidden subdirectory.
― max, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,783084,00.html
so the torrent file called "the compleat wikileaks" isnt the insurance file--its a separate one uploaded by "wikileaks.info" that was intended to spotlight the site's leaks from before it was popular. its just that no one seems to have realized it had the complete unredacted cables on it.
― max, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, appears to be two torrents, you're correct.
― unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Friday, 2 September 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
I like Assange much more since the Tunisia thing went down -- also, I kinda was amused by his interview w/ Zizek.
― Mordy, Friday, 2 September 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
much more plausible seeing wikileaks as an invaluable one-off gamechanging intervention -- es.in.ref the arab spring -- than the emergence of a "new kind of politics": the internal shape of the wikileaks krew as a sustainable political org is manifestly same-old-same-old with respect of guru'd-up cults since time immemorial -- hence the speed of its collapse into whiny incompetence
if he dodges jail assange like zizek will no doubt make a diverting pseudo-left celebrity: he's charming and charismatic and utterly self-centred
― mark s, Saturday, 3 September 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/21/julian-assange-autobiography-published-canongate
p weird move
― 347.239.9791 stench hotline (schlump), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
Interesting in a gawking-at-car-wreck way. Pretty sure he's had a scummy personal life.
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
WikiLeaks suspends publication of secrets to concentrate on solving money woes
― Alba, Monday, 24 October 2011 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
great jack shafer piece: http://blogs.reuters.com/jackshafer/2012/01/18/wikileaks-16th-minute/
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 January 2012 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
So no discussion on the Assange TV show?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
maybe it's all on the MIA thread?
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
Haha is it really?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
lol no, I was just obliquely referencing that she did the theme song
― an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2012/may/30/julian-assange-extradition-verdict-live-coverage
He'll probably be sent to Guantanamo or Australia or some other prison place.
― StanM, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/19/julian-assange-requests-asylum-in-ecuador-foreign-minister-says/?hpt=hp_t1
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
that is ridiculol
― recordbreaking transfer to Lucknow FC (seandalai), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
wow he really REALLY doesn't want to go to trial
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
Go to trial!?!? He hasn't even been charged with anything!
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
well right, and he doesn't even want to do that
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
I would trust the Swedish government not to stuff me in a sack and ship me to the US if I was him either.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
I... guess. has the US even said they want him?
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
It would surely be just as easy, if not easier, for the US to extradite him from the UK than from Sweden.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I kinda figured if the US wanted him they would have had him by now.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
xp I don't think that's true actually.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
Certainly Assange and his lawyers don't believe that to be true anyway.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
Really? The UK is notorious for extraditing pretty much anyone the US asks for. UK citizens can be extradited to the US for "crimes" committed in the UK that aren't illegal under British law, which isn't reciprocated, and the burden of proof the US has to display to get access to people in Britain is much lower than it is for Britain to get access to people in the US. I don't know how different Sweden is but it really couldn't be that much easier.
It would be interesting to look into their reasoning.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
http://wlcentral.org/node/2663
Well this is what his lawyer is saying.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
can't imagine the UK would get shirty about handing Assange over to the cousins, even on the flimsiest of pretexts
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link