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"Wait a minute - the Queen was here????"

The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link

ha no not quite that bad

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Biggest day for the Offaly Tourist Board since the 2007 National Ploughing Championship.

I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Monday, 23 May 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link

better than Reagan did anyway

Michael B, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5qQwbg2Ukw

buzza, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Tower Records provided protection from the media storm in dublin, in musical style.
http://completelyinthedark.com/main.php?g2_itemId=11429

Proger, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link

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nakhchivan, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Truth

Obama's accent impressive. He's havin a good effect on enda too imo

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Monday, 23 May 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link

LOL

http://youtu.be/yo5zH0Il8B0

Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Monday, 23 May 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5zH0Il8B0

Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Monday, 23 May 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link

i've really been struggling with working out O'Bama today

taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 May 2011 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

he's just enjoying himself tbh, the speeches have all been fun hollywood stuff, it's a nice soft gig before he has to do some work.

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Monday, 23 May 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Obama says Ireland's 'best days are still ahead'

Somehow this seems like a lie.

Fear Moldova and the Nation of Leaners (seandalai), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link

depends, really. we've not really given adult politics a sustained run since.....

?

someone older than me would be helpful here tbh

we're due a very rough grind, without much in the way of relief, but i don't know of anyone that starved due to the banks this past three years. at some stage everyone who had a vote in the last cabinet will be rotting wormy pigflesh. you have to concentrate on the little positives.

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link

not politics, but

Thoughts on yerman that went climbing everest and didnt make it?

Kids left behind aged 3,2 and newborn

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Thoughts on yerman that went climbing everest and didnt make it?

Kids left behind aged 3,2 and newborn

Metaphor rearing its head there p'raps?

Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 12:09 (thirteen years ago) link

not politics, and always wary of passing comment on people I don't know, but given how many people die climbing Everest you would have to be a bit foolhardy to give it a go, and a bit feckless if you have children to worry about.

The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 12:12 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

how much money is there around the place, really?

Fintan o'toole reckons a lot. It's kind of a byline to his article today, but got me wondering how we might get to the metaphorical cash under the mattress, and what we might do with it.

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link

it is one thing to say there is a load of money lying around, another thing entirely to actually get it into the state's maw.

The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link

not even necessarily advocating that- indeed, for as long as our govts seem intent on throwing it into bank debt and current deficits and the like, keep it away from them.

but there must be ways to get it out and spent, get some cash swimming along the main streets again

boardsdeals.ie is a good idea, i suppose, something along those lines maybe, but on a somewhat grander scale. people will allow themselves to spend on non-necessities if the can be convinced they're getting a bargain.

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link

and let's face it, our economy was based on a lot of non-necessary spending. if you weren't a property developer you were a celebrity gardening hairdresser interior personal fortune consultant at the weekends, or you simply weren't anybody, daaarling

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

brian lenihan dies

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 10:03 (thirteen years ago) link

hmmmm

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe should have posted that to the excelsior thread tbf.

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:06 (thirteen years ago) link

i jest, i jest. Kinda.

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:06 (thirteen years ago) link

He lasted longer than most people expected, i suppose.

The decision to keep working was an interesting one.

модный хипстер (ShariVari), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link

he had form in denying the inevitable realities.

God, it's a whitewash out there atm. Unsurprising, a young man with a young family passes away, and not in an easy manner- but his political legacy can't be rewritten because of his illness/death. They should probably leave it out of the platitudes altogether.

Too soon, i suppose. I'm probably racking up the irish sb's.

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:40 (thirteen years ago) link

It's incredible that he was making a serious attempt to be FF leader six months after most doctors thought he'd be dead. Can't fault the optimism.

The whitewash is to be expected, and won't last long. I don't know whether he'll be seen in the long term as a decent-enough guy who was incapable of dealing with a set of circumstances beyond the control of anyone in his party or someone who made a bad situation exponentially worse. I get the impression that there was a level of residual respect for him in a lot of quarters, even if only in comparison to the rest of FF.

модный хипстер (ShariVari), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link

you're right of course. I'll just grit me teeth for a week.

I think labelling ahern, cowen, lenihan et al as merely misguided or incompetent is possibly naive.

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Bertie was a wrong 'un. No question.

I'm slightly more inclined to believe that Cowen and Lenihan were victims of circumstance, to a degree, but they all bear at least some moral responsibility for their complicity in a patently rotten system.

модный хипстер (ShariVari), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:01 (thirteen years ago) link

it's all the bank guarantee, that's where the country was brought into it. That's brian's baby i'm afraid

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link

That's true, and will define whatever legacy he has. I'm not really defending him but i have a sliver of sympathy for anyone dealing with the house of cards that Ahern and the bankers left behind, even if they were in a position to do more about it while it was being constructed.

модный хипстер (ShariVari), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link

oh god don't mention the c word

♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

lol

Can't believe this isn't working

lol

who shivs a git (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 10:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Any sign that other ratings agencies might downgrade?

модный хипстер (ShariVari), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 11:54 (thirteen years ago) link

not really, reports seem to have it as a bit of a pre-emptive move tbh

course, if markets react badly...?

who shivs a git (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 11:59 (thirteen years ago) link

cross ref with the abuse thread, but feel like enda was strong today.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0721/1224301063509.html

who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I agree, I was very impressed by him and I've never voted FG in my life.

gyac, Thursday, 21 July 2011 09:09 (thirteen years ago) link

hadn't read the full thing until just now.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0721/1224301061733.html

booming imo

who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:35 (thirteen years ago) link

bout time people started using the word "rape"

LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link

abuse is far too kind to these guys

LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link

yep.

who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:45 (thirteen years ago) link

In one case, the abuser even officiated at the victim’s own wedding

pretty horrible

LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:46 (thirteen years ago) link

cant even process tbh.

who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link

v well written speech, credit enda's speechwriter.

LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:52 (thirteen years ago) link

party political stuff devalued it tho

LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:52 (thirteen years ago) link

bout time people started using the word "rape"

yes

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:54 (thirteen years ago) link

xp maybe so, but tbf in context he's announcing a pretty radical departure in attitude towards dealing with the church on this and maybe other issues, and it's correct to note that FF have been complicit in the obfuscation of the church/state divide not just historically, but up to eg the agreement to indemnify the church against the cost of legal settlements as recently as 2002 and since then a marked reluctance to challenge clerical law as a relevant factor in any of this.

The previous govt failed to address these issues, and these issues are an intolerable disgrace. While noting that the state had responsibility for its failings, i think it's allowable and fair to point out that it was a previous administration that allowed the muddy waters to stay muddy for so long.

who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link

bout time people started using the word "rape"

both agree and disagree, we are not exactly a country that takes rape seriously as a crime, going by sentencing rates. Or abortion laws. Or...

gyac, Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link


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