2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

I want the GOP-supporters here, too. Otherwise it can become too much of a (snippy) echo-chamber.

Hillary is definitely playing an older kind of personality politics than Obama. I suspect LOL SPEECHES will play well on cable television, but in the immediate deconstruction that comes with internet politics, it is stale before it has had a chance to settle.

x-post -- ARE there any here? Folks like Don and Keyth and the like have always seemed more flat-out libertarian and very disenchanted with the GOP anyway.

if she can disrupt the halo

I think there's something to this, too. Obama's seen as "above politics," which is a large part of his appeal. If she can make him seem just like every other politician, it might hurt him badly.

I doubt, at this juncture, she has enough time to pull it off, tho.

ARE there any here?

Don't know. But I'd like some to show up and participate. It would be healthy.

it's not her clinton support that bothers me (I agree this thread could use more clintonis44-type people, as well as some MAC IS BAC people, just for balance), it's more her attitude about the whole thing. Plus, it seems like she's just supporting clinton to be different

Oh c'mon, be real! She's been very clear: daria supports HRC because she wants universal health care. I don't begrudge her this.

xpost: it's not so much being "nice" as it is being somewhat likeable and personable. you can attack someone and point out differences while still remaining personable. going to tv and being extremely condescending and, frankly, rude, saying "shame on you" like a teacher to a child while wagging her finger doesn't really help her...

Clinton supporters whine about 'the media' more than Republicans do.

I've tried to be a contrarian as much as possible, and if HRC does, by chance, become the nominee, I'll likely not vote.

nb: I know wackjobs who are convinced that the media coverage of the Democrats (and 'refusal to cover' the GOP) is part of a conspiracy to help the Democrats... and they still whine less than Clinton backers.

i still don't know what 'nb' means

(as N.B.) an abbreviation for nota bene, a Latin expression meaning "note well"

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BW, her particular tactic may not be a good idea (sounds terrible, frankly, tho I haven't seen the clip). I just think going negative is almost all she has left, especially if the negative attack is designed to knock the halo off Obama's head.

(as N.B.) an abbreviation for nota bene, a Dog Latin expression meaning "note well"

Fixed.

Her staff is takin' days off, chugging bottles of wine, and watching The Wire

Yeah, you're probably right. I don't get why she didn't just go all out on the CNN debate, then. There just seems to be two different, competeing strategies here, and it just makes her look bad.

omg snorg girl on new york times page with hillary worlds collide

here's a clip of her rant: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XjcT_sri_2E

I actually think that the debate 'friendliness' this week seemed a little calculated from both sides, and disingenous. A polite coolness would have been more sincere.

I wonder if H. isn't planning to come out swinging in the next debate, with a tactical 'moral' advantage established w/r/t this story.

well she pretty much set the tone for the next debate with that "meet me in ohio, let's debate" line.

it's gonna be so awesome when Hillary concedes and I never have to hear about either of the Clintons again

A polite coolness would have been more sincere.

"Polite coolness" is Barack Obama's middle name. (n.1)

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(n.1) Well, actually, his middle name is Hussein, but that's something we try not to talk about.

hah, i thought that as i typed it.

There just seems to be two different, competeing strategies here

Probably the case

Ugggghhhh, that YouTube clip. HRC's delivery is not going to help her.

lol @ SNL cold open sketch of the CNN debate.

Tina Fey gave an apparently sincere argument for Hillary in her SNL Weekend Update appearance.

didn't watch it, but that's the first convincing argument i've seen for Hillary.

How do you know it's convincing if you didn't see it?

Bitches get shit done is a sincere argument?

THE ARGUMENT:

http://www.hollywoodtoday.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/playing-fey.jpg

<3 <3 <3

argument even more convincing when it's wearing glasses and not making a "so yer a wize guy, eh?" expression.

i saw the snl thing

"texas and ohio step up, bitch is the new black"

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She looks like she has had a stroke or two, but I still love her.

roxy i need to verify you opinion with a quick litmus test. SJP: hotty or horsey?

You are kidding me, right? This has been covered in great detail on the Lolhan thread (and surely in the gays' appletini bar as well).

Horsey for miles, though.

Anybody else smell the secret (?) disappointment in some lady friends lately as Clinton slowly fails to seal the deal? (or as Bill might put it, as we fail to seal the deal for her.)

dream vs. dream.

What's with Huccabee on SNL tonight basically zinging himself?

lols at me trying to trap you by confusing you w/ someone else on that thread.
xp

???

as for hilz, she may be on life support but def not dead. She's making her final push right now, and i'm guessing Obama's lost some momentum between the debate and this halo tarnishing hoohaw. Basically March 5th can't get here soon enough.

Cosmo, you confused me with SURMOUNTER?!?

What's with Huccabee on SNL tonight basically zinging himself?

The longer he stays in the spotlight, the better the chance he'll get his own radio/tv job next year.

as for hilz, she may be on life support but def not dead. She's making her final push right now, and i'm guessing Obama's lost some momentum between the debate and this halo tarnishing hoohaw. Basically March 5th can't get here soon enough.

AND OBAMA HAS PATRIOTISM PROBLEMS, TOO. IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG GE SEASON.

sorry, r. if it makes it better, your indignation = LOLOLOL

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obama should be able to forestall the snob/elitist toolishness with a good old 'we must vote for the best, strive to achieve the highest' speech.

he will loose a lot of points to mccain if he tries to play the common people game, i think

lose

at the moment, the only real access point to a snobamas meme is Michelle's comment, right? that she made the comment and not him makes for a pretty good firewall.