Bin Laden Dead?

so did the helicopter have owl wings?

The principal lesson we learned from Nuremberg is that a war of aggression -- that means, a war in violation of international law, in violation of the UN charter, and not in self-defense -- is the supreme international crime, because all the other crimes happen in war. And every leader who is responsible for planning and perpetrating that crime should be held to account in a court of law, and the law applies equally to everyone.

he's exactly right that all the other crimes happen in war. they happen in UN-sanctioned wars too. (im not clicking on greenwald but it's not immediately clear how the quote is relevant to the hit on osama. was it not in self-defense?) the US didn't fight germany for reasons of self-defence, though, did it? and the system of 'international law', such as it was, failed. courts of law have to derive their authority from somewhere.

interviewed ben ferencz the other day. dude is just FASCINATING no joke

the US didn't fight germany for reasons of self-defence, though, did it?

The USA declared war on Japan only after the attack on Pearl Harbor and a declaration of war upon the USA by Japan. Because of the Axis treaty, Germany and Italy declared war on the USA. After these declarations were made the USA declared war on Germany and Italy. This train of events establishes a clear self-defense situation in the USA's war against all three Axis powers.

And of course there are false flag conspiracies about Pearl Harbor.

US mighta stopped Joe Kennedy & friends from arming the Nazis, eh

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2011/05/18/97001-20110518FILWWW00552-al-qaidaun-chef-militaire-presume-arrete.php

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/osama-porn-names

loooooooool

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ill run o

"Bump" is long over, right?

http://www.turntablelab.com/clothing/279/784/90644.html

When I first saw the diagram of Osama's compound, I thought: "that's a cool layout", almost like something you'd see in an architectural magazine. Then I thought, damn, I'm glad we caught that mofo and lets go get the rest of em. So I combined both ideas and came up with this shirt. Wear it with pride.

lol thats actually a cool tshirt

i wonder who's flickr he stole it from

is a joke i could make

Looks stolen from Zaha Hadid's flickr!

Poll: Anti-Muslim sentiment grew after bin Laden death

"In the weeks before bin Laden's death, nearly half of respondents described Muslim Americans as "trustworthy" and "peaceful," researchers said. After bin Laden's death, that figure dropped to one-third of respondents.
For Muslims, perhaps the most troublesome finding was that these negative shifts had occurred among political liberals and moderates, a constituency that had been seen as the most sympathetic to Muslims after the 9/11 terrorist attacks."

I'm not sure why that would be, or how seriously I should take this poll.

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http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/110808fa_fact_schmidle?currentPage=all

that was one of those articles where i had stuff to do & so after every page i was like "alright i'll stop now" but i just read the whole thing thru

same. thank you nick schmidle for making me feel so involved that i sorta feel bin laden's blood is on my hands.

did that seal have to say 'for god and country' once he announced bin laden being kia..? smdh

"geronimo down, KIA. boom. for real."

Least that SEAL said it afterward. If it were a movie, he would have said it before pulling the trigger, giving OBL time to grab that meat cleaver from a nearby table.

lol

it will be a movie, Kathryn Bigelow is working on it.

"aaaaand... boom goes the dynamite"

uh oh...

Paul Farhi susses out that Schmindle didn't speak directly to any SEALs:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/freelance-journalist-scores-coup-with-account-of-bin-laden-raid/2011/08/02/gIQAEiaeqI_story.html

C. Christine Fair (http://explore.georgetown.edu/people/ccf33/?action=viewgeneral) casts doubt on Schmindle's reporting, and on him personally:

http://www.registan.net/index.php/2011/08/04/the-schmidle-muddle-of-the-osama-bin-laden-take-down/

"the schmidle muddle"

I mean is that Yiddish for something?

schmidle's grandfather is a sec ops general i think

honestly i think that article was kind of a bust--it was nice to read the story in a classic nyer stylee, but there wasnt any new information or informed ruminating or anything.

schmindle's father is the marine LTG who's deputy head of US cyber command, apparently. quite an "in".

it was nice to read the story in a classic nyer stylee

right i kinda felt like i was reading a novelization of a movie i'd already seen

So useless when they report "Al Qaeda's No. 2 Killed in Pakistan." How many Al Qaeda No. 2s have there been? A dozen by now?

http://www.new-video.de/da/612.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Rm7w8hnso

This is what the Obama administration does over and over. It’s a flagrant abuse of its secrecy powers. It uses anonymous leaks to selectively boast about what it does and thus shape media narratives and public understanding of its conduct (also called “domestic propaganda”). But it then simultaneously insists that the whole matter is classified — Top Secret — when it comes time to be subjected to any form of legal accountability or have its assertions publicly tested....

The corpse of Osama bin Laden will be one of the most featured props used by Democrats to venerate the President as a Tough, Strong Warrior and to argue that he deserves re-election (it will probably be the second-most invoked tactic, right after progressive celebrations over how “cool” Obama is, in contrast to the nerdy and awkward Romney: courtesy of the same political faction still so angry (and rightfully so) that the 2000 election became a referendum on the candidate with whom one would prefer to have a beer). Not that many people are interested in them, but there are still lingering questions over what happened in that raid. Either all of that information is classified, in which case the President’s aides should be barred from leaking unverifiable, politically beneficial snippets about it and should be criminally investigated on equal terms with other leakers when they do; or — despite John Kerry’s decree that everyone should simply “shut up and move on” – there should be real disclosure of the relevant information, which means not only on the campaign trail but in courts and media outlets.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/27/selective_bin_laden_leaking/

What lingering questions does he want answered? Whether or not there were orders to shoot on sight?

question: when will the manufactured outrage mill will shut down?

What lingering questions does he want answered? Whether or not there were orders to shoot on sight?

I assume he's referring to the conflicting reports about whether Bin Laden was armed, how much he resisted, etc.

I know GG's whole thing is pretty much entirely 'ethics in the face of countervailing opinions' but this seems like a losing issue for him. how many ppl care about whether bin ladin was resisting or not?

yeah and did they mirandize him first?

Very few. What else is new? xp

ah, enjoy the slippery slope to the United Soviets.

lol did you just call Obama a communist

who is the late great? He's still way too early imo.

c'mon, the USSR was ACTUALLY right wing. Authoritarian, whatev ya wanna call it.

yes compared to the last 200 years when our gov't showed great deference to constitutionality and transparency during wartime

sorry morbs i'm too busy thinking about matters of substance to enjoy this slippery slope

you keep fighting the good fight though

ethan?