7.9 and 8.8 Earthquakes in Japan

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NBD, just a little meltdown, let's all be cool.

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Friday, 13 May 2011 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Would like to see some sort of estimate of the radiation released from Chernobyl vs. Fukushima-D. 7 weeks is a lot of time to match Chernobyl's one day release, right?

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 13 May 2011 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link

This all dovetails so nicely with the estimated 2 billion dollar pricetag for resealing Chernobyl, btw.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 13 May 2011 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link

2 bil seems like a good deal, imo

mh, Friday, 13 May 2011 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Japan: Land of the rising silence

Junko Yoshida

5/31/2011 7:56 AM EDT

TOKYO – I landed in Tokyo last week – for the first time since the great earthquake and tsunami hit Japan 75 days ago.

While the reason for my visit was to see my aging mother, I arrived with much trepidation— largely driven by what I didn’t know. I had no real feel for the magnitude of impact the recent disaster must have had on the country and its people. Everything I learned about what happened on March 11th — and what I deduced about it — seemed almost theoretical.

Walking through the customs at Narita airport initially calmed me. People, places and things were as efficient, clean and as orderly as always. Nothing at Narita was broken; the whole scene screamed out the Japanese national motto: “Business as usual.”

The rude awakening, however, hit when I attempted to buy a train ticket at the airport. Narita Express trains are running on an irregular schedule, “due to the Great Tohoku Kanto earthquake,” according to a woman at the Japan Railway ticket counter. The next available Narita Express train I could take wasn’t due for three hours. While surprised, I told myself, “Oh, well. So, I’ll take the bus to Yokohama.”

Arriving at Yokohama station after 90 minutes on the bus, I discovered that Japan Railway had stopped running every escalator to every platform at every station. I could either hike up a stairway that looked like it went to the stars, or I could line up at one lonesome elevator — which I did, not because I’m not fit, but because I was schlepping a suitcase. I looked wistfully at a nearby escalator, chained and motionless, bearing a notice that read: “Please cooperate with us in conserving energy.”

In the public rest room at the station, the toilets — thank God — were flushing. Everything seemed normal until I went to dry my hands. Every dryer had a notice, saying: “Please cooperate with us in conserving energy.”

I walked out waving my hands, and resigned to the message of post-tsunami Japan. Forget the little conveniences we’ve all come to take for granted. It’s post-war all over again — and saving energy was everybody’s job, just like it had been in 1946.

Finally installed on a local train, I opened a newspaper. While the Asahi Shimbun had a number of stories related to the quake’s aftermath, the most eye-catching was a large map of Tohoku and Kanto.

It mapped out each village and town affected by the disaster, complete with death tolls, the missing and those evacuated to temporary facilities in each municipality. The newspaper also devotes a sizable space for a list of full names of “Those who passed away.” This has become a regular feature of each newspaper, day in and day out. Clearly, Japanese authorities are still discovering bodies. When those bodies are identified and publicly acknowledged, the newspaper adds a measure of finality.

But the thing that really freaked me out was the daily nuclear report (it looks a lot like a weather forecast map) – listing radiation levels in the air in various cities in Tohoku and Kanto. Again, this is now a regular feature -- both on NHK (Japan’s public broadcast) news, and in the paper.

I learned that Chigasaki, where my mother lives, registered 0.052 microsieverts per hour the day before my plane landed. Although this was a marked difference from the 6.6 microsieverts found in Namie-cho, a town 31 kilometers northwest of the stricken Fukushima Daiichi power plant, I wasn’t quite sure what to make of either number.

I was supposed to feel reassured about the low-level of radiation in the city I was heading for. But then, I also know that there’s no scientific data, at this point, on the impact on human bodies of a low-level dosage of radiation over a long period of time. It’s the unknown that fuels everyone’s fear.

The Tokyo Electric Power Co. (Tepco) six-reactor complex on Japan’s northeastern coast continues emitting radiation into the air and water. Tepco itself has said it will not be able to bring the three heavily damaged reactors under control until late this year or early next year. That’s the hard reality.

No solutions in sight for containment
While the plant continues to spew radioactivity, Japan’s largest electric power company will be pumping water into the damaged reactors and venting radioactive steam for a year or more. Tepco has built a low-level waste storage facility on the site. But it has no plans to move the waste elsewhere.

More bad news came from Tepco last Thursday [May 27th]. A new leak in a storage container had dumped an additional 60 tons of radioactive water into the environment.

It’s clear that no credible solutions are in sight to contain the deteriorating reactors. No concrete plans are laid out for how to deal with the growing nuclear waste, either.

Look no further than a recent controversy over the radiation exposure limit for schoolchildren in Japan. The government set off an uproar in April when it set a radiation exposure limit of 20 millisieverts per year, the same dosage the International Commission on Radiation Protection recommends for nuclear plant workers.

Under pressure, the Japanese government announced last week that it will pay schools near the Fukushima nuclear plant to remove radioactive topsoil; it re-set the target radiation exposure for schoolchildren at one-twentieth the previous limit.

NHK had reported that before this new policy was announced, one school in Fukushima had jumped the gun and scraped the surface of the radioactive soil on its playground. The school’s quick action and independent thinking seemed laudable. But there was a hitch. They had no place to put the contaminated soil. No farmers could use it and no neighbors wanted it in their backyard. The school was told to keep the heap of radioactive soil in the middle of the schoolyard — for now.

The Japanese may be better prepared for earthquakes than any other country. But this is scant consolation in today’s post-earthquake and tsunami problem — the absence of a plan by the combined leadership of government and industry for the future, especially when it comes to dealing with nuclear energy.

It’s only been a week, but I’m starved for information. This is the big worry.

Or, more accurately put, I worry about the tendency for “self-restraint” among Japanese bureaucrats, government officials, politicians, industry leaders and even some in the academia here to keep disclosure of information at a minimum. Early in the crisis, for instance, the Japanese government had detailed information on radiation levels in towns near the Fukushima nuclear plant. Government officials only released the data via the Internet. The names of town were masked – reportedly to prevent mass flights of panicked people, causing “unnecessary” chaos or confusion in the society.

Similarly, in my humble opinion, Japanese consumers are as guilty as their so-called leaders.

Harmful rumors
“Fuhyo higai” is Japanese term I had never heard until I got here this time. Roughly translated as “harmful rumors,” it discourages anyone from discussing the safety of produce or products originating in affected areas. People who live in the “Fuhyo Higai” belt will be compensated by Tepco and the Japanese government. But it’s almost as though the government would prefer that people don’t know they’re victims until they get their compensation. I understand the need to keep “harmful rumors” from running rampant. But the Japanese consumers and the Japanese press are turning common sense into a moratorium on tough questions. It’s almost eerie.

I can live with fewer pachinko parlors and vending machines on the streets in Japan – both of which were labeled power hogs by the governor of Tokyo. I am OK with fewer neon signs in the Ginza; I am certainly for Japanese companies closing their offices at 4:30 p.m. so that they can turn off lights, sending employees home early and allowing them to work from home. Flex-time might even catch on in Japan.

The Japanese auto and auto-parts manufacturers decided to close on Thursdays and Fridays, operating instead on Saturdays and Sundays from July to September to limit power use during the midweek peak.

Because of the damage to power plants in the eastern part of the country, the government has set a target to cut electricity use by manufacturers by 15% this summer, when demand normally picks up with air-conditioner usage. Certain industries deemed critical to the Japanese economy – such as Japan’s semiconductor sector – are exempt from the regulation. But the nation is united behind the 15 percent conservation target. Most experts I talked to remain confident that Japan can stay in business without any serious power interruptions through the summer.

The Japanese are great at setting, communicating and achieving goals like that 15-percent cut. In contrast, we tend not to discuss, or make plans, or even face up to issues — like the nuclear mess in Fukushima — that require solutions more complicated than the March of Dimes. So, as we worry mutely about Fuhyo-Higai, deplore speculation, and tut-tut worst-case scenarios, little is said in public.

The silence is deafening.

It extends to the big uncertainty about the next big quake. What’s the worst that could happen?

Everyone knows the answer: Tokyo. Masaya Ishida, publisher of EE Times Japan, along with 13 million other people, lives here. He said, “The problem is that we don’t know when the next big one will hit us. It can be three years from now, or 300 years.”

Quiet, Ishida-san! If we don’t talk about it, maybe it will go away.

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 June 2011 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I liked reading that until I started wondering what the point was. Do official or governments have to start admitting they don't have a clue what's going on and who could die? Immediately after a disaster, they cannot know this, but we, the public, demand reassurance that someone is in control. If not a deity, then our government officials.

Whether they talk about The Big One that'll hit Tokyo or not, they can't prepare for everything, it's just not possible. (the whole of North America should move because the Yellowstone supervolcano will one day erupt, we should all move underground as long as asteroids could hit?) - the simplest option is to not talk about it all until it happens. There's enough artificially created panic that is selling newspapers without them having to remind us that we could die anytime and there's nothing they can do.

StanM, Thursday, 2 June 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Fukushima nuclear plant may have suffered 'melt-through', Japan admits

For when 'melt-downs' just aren't enough...

i can't, i won't (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 08:54 (thirteen years ago) link

What I can't tell from that story is why that's a worse outcome that what was known before. How catastrophic is this catastrophe? It doesn't sound even in this worst-ish case, that anyone is much endangered by what's happened.

Euler, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 09:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Good timing... convenient too:

"Japan has more than doubled its initial estimate of radiation released from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant in the week after the March 11 tsunami, ahead of the launch of an official probe Tuesday."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110607/ts_afp/japandisasteraccidentnuclear_20110607091539

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 11 June 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, it's not that the American government is particularly honest about many things, but the Japanese government seems particularly shady with their dealings in this disaster.

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 11 June 2011 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/06/201161664828302638.html

A very informative, if not alarming, article on the current situation, with former nuclear industry senior vice president Arnold Gundersen deeming Fukushima "the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind" and estimating it will take around 10-15 years for the reactors to be dismantled. Jesus, I really hope Japan gets through all of this somehow.

Not sure how much of this is already covered upthread, but the last section is definitely news to me.

Broken Heartbeats Sound Like Breakbeats, Saturday, 25 June 2011 08:22 (twelve years ago) link

they need cites on some of the stuff they mention in that article. where are they getting some of the studies and statistics -- have they been published elsewhere? corroborated?

not saying it's not true but it left me w/ more questions than answers.

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 25 June 2011 08:38 (twelve years ago) link

Don't have much experience with using that website and not sure what the writer's sources are, but it doesn't strike me as something that isn't legitimate or factual.

Broken Heartbeats Sound Like Breakbeats, Sunday, 26 June 2011 09:14 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

btw kinda late on this but arnold gundersen, nuclear expert he may be, is also a known for-profit anti nuke campaigner so i'd def take most of what he says w/ at least a little bit of salt

corpse pose (missingNO), Monday, 11 July 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...
two weeks pass...

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/251011/full/478435a.html

dayo, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/world/asia/a-year-later-undertakers-story-offers-japan-hope.html

this made me tear up - what a hero this guy is, amazing how small acts of kindness can mean so much to so many people

been to lots of college and twitter (k3vin k.), Monday, 12 March 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago) link

hero 4real

catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 12 March 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link

Kevin: you might be interested in the film Departures (おくりびと Okuribito) from 2008.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 12 March 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59280000/jpg/_59280655_014341269-1.jpg

A Japanese fishing vessel swept away by the March 2011 tsunami has been spotted adrift off the west coast of Canada.

An aircraft patrolling the seas off British Columbia saw the vessel, which is about 50-metre (164ft) long, floating 275km (170 miles) from the Haida Gwaii islands on Friday.

It is believed to be the first large item from the millions of tonnes of tsunami debris to cross the Pacific.

No-one is believed to be on board the ship, registered in Hokkaido, Japan.

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 26 March 2012 03:42 (twelve years ago) link

Japan earthquake visualization map 2011. Almost 700 M5+ quakes in/round Japan last year... insane!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKp5cA2sM28

millmeister, Monday, 26 March 2012 06:20 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

my mom just told me there was a 10.0 right now in japan?

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link

can't find anything at all, she probably caught something weird on the internet

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link

Nothing here:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.html

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, false alarm it looks like. sorry everybody

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link

weird.

(there totes wasn't, i mean i was asleep but i would have felt that)

(also considering that i am on the tohoku coast i would be very very very afraid right now)

v for viennetta (c sharp major), Sunday, 5 August 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

yeah pretty sure you'd feel a ten in frikkin Kansas

I could just look this up, but has there ever even been a ten? I thought we had topped out at 9.8 in chile or AK or something

catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 5 August 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link

Jesus, scared me there! I don't ask my mom about earthquakes anymore. I mean, why worry about the little ones?

Nathalie (stevienixed), Sunday, 5 August 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link

yeah scared me too and I'm nowhere near there! apparently she saw it on a scrolling ticker on a chinese news program. those chinese, always wanting bad things to happen to japan.

smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Sunday, 5 August 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

I could just look this up, but has there ever even been a ten? I thought we had topped out at 9.8 in chile or AK or something

Chile 1960 topped off at 9.5 and that's about as powerful as you can get. I seem to recall that once you get above 10.0, the crust of the earth can fail so you need something like an asteroid strike to get that intense.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 5 August 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link

From http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Has_there_ever_been_a_magnitude_10_earthquake

It is thought that the impact that occurred 65.5 million years ago creating the Chixulub crater beneath the Yucatán Peninsula in Mexico (and thought to have contributed to the extinction of the dinosaurs) yielded energy equivalent to an earthquake of magnitude 12.5.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 5 August 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link

yikes

catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 5 August 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link

i remember it, it was awful

, Blogger (schlump), Sunday, 5 August 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link

all my best china

, Blogger (schlump), Sunday, 5 August 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link

yeah it's not really "an earthquake" any more at that point, it's more like being above an underground nuclear test

Total destruction – Everything is destroyed. Lines of sight and level distorted. Objects thrown into the air. The ground moves in waves or ripples. Large amounts of rock move position. Landscape altered, or levelled by several meters. In some cases, even the routes of rivers are changed.

the late great, Sunday, 5 August 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

except it'd be like distributing 300 of the biggest bombs ever made and setting that off

the late great, Sunday, 5 August 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link

that's a 10 i'm talking about, not a 12.5!

the late great, Sunday, 5 August 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link

12.5 would be two million of the biggest nukes

getting into lensman territory

the late great, Sunday, 5 August 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

gah

v for viennetta (c sharp major), Friday, 31 August 2012 13:34 (eleven years ago) link

it's like 10:30pm in japan right now and all

(i am not there but i know where my evacuation point would be if i was)

v for viennetta (c sharp major), Friday, 31 August 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link

tsunami warning cancelled everywhere except indonesia, philippines, belau

max, Friday, 31 August 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link

one of my v good friends is meant to be leaving for java tomorrow - super glad he hasn't left yet tbh.

i feel like i have turned into one of those medieval buddhist texts, all "never make attachments to other humans as your life will never be free from worry"

v for viennetta (c sharp major), Friday, 31 August 2012 13:49 (eleven years ago) link

in suburban ishinomaki by the beach there were these signposts, whose tops were bent at a 45 degree angle, that said "tsunami evacuation point [blah blah high school] 300m ahead" and it was ironic because the signposts are now bent at a 45 degree angle and also because [blah blah high school] is now heavily damaged and mostly gutted and its schoolyard used as a tip for debris.

v for viennetta (c sharp major), Friday, 31 August 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link

by 'ironic' i mostly mean 'upsetting'.

v for viennetta (c sharp major), Friday, 31 August 2012 13:54 (eleven years ago) link

ten months pass...

Masao Yoshida, Nuclear Engineer and Chief at Fukushima Plant, Dies at 58

TOKYO — Masao Yoshida, a nuclear engineer who took charge of the Fukushima Daiichi power plant two years ago as multiple reactors spiraled out of control after a tsunami, but who ultimately failed to prevent the world’s worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl, died here on Tuesday. He was 58.

The cause was cancer, said the Fukushima plant’s operator, Tokyo Electric Power.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 10 July 2013 10:26 (ten years ago) link

ugh, grim.

how bad could it be to be stuck to the couch, forever... (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 14:50 (ten years ago) link

The irony has not escaped netizens, some of whom wonder whether his diagnosis was connected to radiation exposure. The plant’s operator, Tepco, insists it was not. Yoshida left his post in December 2011 after fighting a nine-month battle to stop Fukushima’s reactors from overheating, and a week later Tepco disclosed his diagnosis.


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