This is not a strawman, "God is everything, maaaan"-dude, we've all heard people say this.
keep digging
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
"i'm not a rationalist but i have got a rash"
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
If the most vociferous Christians weren't insufferable fun-hating busybodies, this phrase would be unnecessary. So I blame them.
I don't think that has anything to do with it. I mean you can believe in god or something without being a Christian. You can have some vague spiritual beliefs without being devout about them. In which case you would be "spiritual" but not religious.
― geir was right (wk), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzvZmQaJo68
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
"I'm not a positivist but I'm not very negative, either..."
― No pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ILX Religiosity and Spirituality and Agnosticity and Atheicity Poll
― Rev'erendoors (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
This reminds me of an old Frank Kogan line--something about the age-old debate between Free Willy and Determinismy.
― clemenza, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
"i'm not a racist but"About 1,150,000 results (0.29 seconds)
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
"i'm not philosophical but i am a sophist"
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
<3
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
"call me old-fashioned, but..."
― No pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I used to thinkI had the answers to everything,But now I knowLife doesn't always go my way, yeah...Feels like I'm caught in the middleThat's when I realize...
[Chorus:]I'm not a girl,Not yet a woman.All I need is time,A moment that is mine,While I'm in between.
[Verse 2]I'm not a girl,There is no need to protect me.It's time that ILearn to face up to this on my own.I've seen so much more than you know now,So don't tell me to shut my eyes.
[Chorus]
I'm not a girl,But if you look at me closely,You will see it my eyes.This girl will always findHer way.
I'm not a girl(I'm not a girl don't tell me what to believe).Not Yet a woman(I'm just trying to find the woman in me, yeah).All I need is time (All I need),A moment that is mine (That is mine),While I'm in between.
I'm not a girlNot yet a womanAll I need is time (All I need),A moment that is mine,While I'm in between.
I'm not a girl,Not yet a woman.
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dajn9Bk24CY&feature=related
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i believe in astrology
― ODD FURRY WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL PLEASE!!!! (diamonddave85), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
astrologomy
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
can't decide whether to SB u for the astrology or the display name
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.birdsasart.com/rootjpegs/AtlanticPuffin4.jpg
Anyway, here is a puffin. He looks like he might be kinda spiritual but i doubt he has a fully developed cosmology.
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
wth?
― ODD FURRY WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL PLEASE!!!! (diamonddave85), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not spiritual but I am religious!~~Pharisee 4 Lyfe~~
― No pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
puffin looks more "soulful" imo
― geir was right (wk), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.fairislebirdobs.co.uk/images/Puffin.jpg
contemplating the demiurge, urlier today
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
guys how does meaning work, im worried i might be vapid
― ogmor, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01318/bittern_1318554c.jpg
Bitterns, on the other hand, are predominantly agnostic.
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://thumbsforhire.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/dancing-blue-footed-booby.jpg
The Blue-footed Booby practises a variant of Sufism.
― wanking on the moon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― ogmor, Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:49 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
board descrip plz
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait, wtf is dud about this? You're not allowed to have a sense of spirituality without being connected to some kind of organized religion?
― geir was right (wk), Thursday, May 12, 2011 3:39 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
its just a cliche & its easy 2 react cynically when someone says it
― Princess TamTam, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ORCnvGnaAM
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.realbirder.com/NorthEast%20England/Shag3.JPG
I don't like seabirds much, but I do like a nice shag.
― immer wieder, ralf & günther (NickB), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think that has anything to do with it. I mean you can believe in god or something without being a Christian.
Strictly speaking, of course you can. But where I live, annoying Christians have so poisoned the adjective "religious" that additional clauses are required lest folks get the wrong idea.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
The only moving thinghttp://thumbnails27.imagebam.com/13197/e9fc6f131966534.jpg
― ogmor, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
http://joelws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/cnn-spiritual-but-not-religious-300x216.jpg
CNN weighs in:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/personal/06/03/spiritual.but.not.religious/index.html?hpt=C2
― thirdalternative, Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I get that. I just seems like an accurate description of the majority of people I know. I know very few people who go to church, apart from a couple of relatives. And yet I only know a few people that consider themselves atheists. So everyone else is basically "spiritual but not religious" right?
But it would definitely be an annoying thing to say unprompted.
― geir was right (wk), Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
like just blurting out on the bus?
― ogmor, Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
no, in that context it's fine
― geir was right (wk), Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
You get the 'spiritual' thing in fashion quite a bit - and it annoys me when I know damned well the person is basically agnostic and does a bit of yoga.
― that's when i reach for my ︻╦╤─* (suzy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
lol but I feel like that would describe more people who would use this term.
Good thread. I like the Puffins.
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Ever asked someone who says this what they mean by "spiritual?" The response is usually:
"I just believe there's something else, something we can't see."
Ok.
― thirdalternative, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
it's called gravity
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
"there's something else, something we can't see" was basically your definition of god on that other thread Shakey, wasn't it?
― geir was right (wk), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
no. you guys really need to brush up on your reading comprehension.
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Ever asked someone who says this what they mean by "spiritual?" The response is usually:"I just believe there's something else, something we can't see."Ok.
That bothers me far less than the people who believe in something that's equally kooky and poorly though out, but very specific. The wishy-washy-ness masks an uncertainty which could lead to further doubt.
― geir was right (wk), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
still trying to figure out how gravity is something we can't see
― geir was right (wk), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw, I did not offer a personal definition, I pointed out several different ways that the concept of God has been elucidated in various theological traditions.
xp
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
lol. you see the EFFECTS of gravity. you don't SEE gravity itself. gravity does not reflect light.
science brigade really bringing it today... *sigh*
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
gravity is a force, it doesn't have mass, etc.
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
keep fightin off them hordes, shakes
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
why do I bother
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
lol "science brigade." You know, being an atheist doesn't necessarily mean you know shit about science.
but you have a very narrow definition of "see"
― geir was right (wk), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
you mean... the definition used by science?
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
you see the EFFECTS of gravity. you don't SEE gravity itself. gravity does not reflect light.
so gravity = god and the effects = the prophet?
― geir was right (wk), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean come the fuck on here. this is physics 101. What you can see is the spectrum of light reflected off material objects. Gravity is not a material object.
I wasn't even trying to make an analogy here, I was just making a loljoke about "unseen" things at work in the universe
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 May 2011 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I don’t think these people are trolling
My current interest is a girl who charges 60 bucks a pop for an energy healing session. Quite confounding to me
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Friday, 1 June 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
There's no shame in finding interest in stuff like tarot. It piggybacks onto some very old archetypal imagery that seems to hold its power across the millennia. Just look at the Assyrian winged bull sculptures or Tibetan demons, and you can see how this stuff still connects to something in our brains.
The real shame is in thinking these images can mystically reveal the unknowable future, rather than prompt one to see a bit deeper into one's own mind, thereby uncovering some ideas and motives that may not have been visible to you, but were there and operating out of view, subconsciously.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 1 June 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
60 bucks a pop for an energy healing session. Quite confounding to me
most physicians, if they are honest, know that very few of their treatments or therapies are doing any of the heavy lifting of healing their patients. it's the body's systems that still must do the lion's share of the work. most medical help is in the nature of minor assistance to the body's immune system or regenerative powers.
I have great respect for the placebo effect, and there's every chance that your friend is doing her clients some good, if only by enhancing the placebo effect, and assisting the body's own healing ability through unconventional means. the 60 bucks is part of the therapy and lends a seriousness to the exchange that both parties believe in. there are WAY more true believers practicing this stuff than outright charlatans.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 1 June 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
you know what a body can really believe in, is sixty bucks
― j., Friday, 1 June 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
Oh Britany
On “He Loves Me,” you sing about having God’s love even while you’re doing whatever the hell you want. Are you a religious person?
I’m not religious. I don’t blame anybody for being religious but it’s not my thing. But I’m definitely a spiritual person. I wrote this song for people who feel they can’t have a relationship with God because they think they have to be Christian, or religious, have all these rules, sins. I was like that, definitely afraid. And then my sister died, and it was like: There is no God. Because why would God do that to a kid? The way she died was very painful to watch.
Then, as I got older, I just changed my mind. I really missed having that connection to something. So I just started learning how to have a relationship with God. And that’s what that song is about.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 23:13 (four years ago) link
these rules, sins
― j., Wednesday, 18 September 2019 23:21 (four years ago) link
is there anything more dud than taking issue with this sentiment?
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link
Who even knows what is meant by "spirituality" at this point? It covers so many bases, including religious and quasi-religious beliefs and practices.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Friday, 8 January 2021 00:33 (three years ago) link
i am for some reason more into people being part of the religious heritage that they have roots in and embodies tradition, transmission from the ancestors, etc. than vague woo woo ideas or adoption of alien belief systems, and do roll my eyes at "im not religous, but i am spiritual" in general, but i suppose that's authenticity shit that i wouldn't be into in other contexts. but the heart wants what it wants.
interestingly both religion and spirituality are quite hard concepts to pin down with exactitude. like explain to me the what religion and spirituality are, and what they aren't, and what the difference is.
― Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Friday, 8 January 2021 00:39 (three years ago) link
I’m not spiritual but I am religious
― Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 8 January 2021 00:43 (three years ago) link
Already posted that a few years ago lol
― Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 8 January 2021 00:44 (three years ago) link
i'm not religious but i'd do anything for woo woo
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 8 January 2021 00:51 (three years ago) link
it it like how people get mad at the simpsons Viking thing?
― brimstead, Friday, 8 January 2021 00:59 (three years ago) link
Old answer: dud, mostlyNew answer: classic, mostlyBut:
this is the 'everything but country and rap' of religion― iatee, Thursday, 12 May 2011 19:38 (nine years ago)
― Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2021 01:12 (three years ago) link
afaic spirituality is anything that isn't positivistic atheist materialism*
religion (*let's include this for a gratuitous hot take) seems to require the kind of cultural rootedness and historical continuity which is probably great if you're not some kind of misfit, the kind who doesn't want to be saved in the prescribed ways- or if you're in a religious community that's so open and nondogmatic it might as well be SBNR
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Friday, 8 January 2021 01:16 (three years ago) link
Being this - potentially classic. Saying it - dud.
If it were phrased as, "I recognize in myself an innate need for belief in something intangible that makes the world meaningful to me and helps me keep my fear of death at bay, but I refuse to connect that to any organized religion," I don't think anyone would have a problem with it. The "I'm not religious but I am spiritual" line is a dud because it's a.) cliched and b.) permanently associated with white people co-opting indigenous cultural traditions.
― Lily Dale, Friday, 8 January 2021 01:27 (three years ago) link
i don't even own a spirit
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 January 2021 01:27 (three years ago) link
complaining about the line is as much a cliche as the line itself but b) is a serious problem
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Friday, 8 January 2021 01:33 (three years ago) link
this is white problem in general but it comes through a lot in the spiritual stuff. probably it's still perceived as a kind of frontier, maybe also as a potential source of some kind of moral absolution or existential justification in the colonial context idk
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Friday, 8 January 2021 01:48 (three years ago) link
Lily Dale otm
― Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 January 2021 02:06 (three years ago) link
lol mookie
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 8 January 2021 02:35 (three years ago) link
but i cant start a thread at all, like?
― nob lacks, noirish (darraghmac), Friday, 8 January 2021 11:22 (three years ago) link
Let people say things imo
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 January 2021 11:30 (three years ago) link
Feeling feverish atm and self-isolating, sorry if this is incoherentDud because it's ambiguously critical of religious observance without making clear any distinction in name or (imo) in practice a lot of the time. "Spirituality" could mean asceticism. Or it could mean superstition, or animism, or universality or religious mysticism, or any combination of these things and others which are very often properties of "religion" as well. Since there are names for these things, we might as well use them imo instead of drawing distinctions where perhaps there are none and creating false dichotomy.
It's easy enough to say that you're a solitary practitioner, or have indeterminate supernatural beliefs, or dabble in the practices of one or more religions without observing any of them stringently.
Re: white people co-opting indigenous and nonwestern modalities- It irks me, for example, when "seekers" refer to religious traditions like Buddhism or Daoism as "philosophy". Like, maybe to you? Western Yijing studies for example have been plagued by a Sinophobic attitude that the Chinese are unfit custodians of their own heritage imo.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 9 January 2021 03:17 (three years ago) link
Assuming RBNS = observing religious traditions in which you do not necessarily believe, its meaning is much clearer than SBNR
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 9 January 2021 03:22 (three years ago) link
Wonder why
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 9 January 2021 03:23 (three years ago) link
RBNS honestly describes probably 75% of self-professed "Christians" ime. The other 25% are evangelicals who hear voices telling them to stone unbelievers.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 9 January 2021 14:03 (three years ago) link