i dunno, all the character decisions for the whole post black pike mining arc felt pretty strained to me. They also started leaning WAY more heavily on the southern gothic mythos and making Harlan less and less realistic and the characters sound more and more Milch-y. Not every hillbilly is unintentionally eloquent, you know? ymmv. again, it's really more a matter of picking what I didn't like about this season as there was so much that i did.
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 8 May 2011 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
ava thing didnt bug me? shes not exactly a good girl, and raylan completely and unceremoniously ditched out on her, while boyd stuck by her side and proved himself to be a good companion
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Sunday, 8 May 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, also isn't ava really young? i feel like she's still figuring stuff out.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 8 May 2011 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
xp to forks - it's tricky. The southern-goth stuff was laid on SUPER thick this season, esp. at the end, but it was handled so deftly by all involved that I can't come up w/ much to complain about (a little more Dewey Crow comic relief, maybe?). Personally, I would have rather seen a more natural build-up of the 'southern mafia' conflict w/o the Black Pike plot device, but Boyd's roll in that did not seem unnatural imo. The way I read it was like: Boyd's existential/introspective phase ended precisely at the point when he snapped on the dumbass miner dude who would not leave him alone. Everything which ensued was him reverting back to his essential (predetermined?) mindset & exploiting various windows of opportunity (even if, yeah, the Black Pike thing was sorta too convenient).
― Challops Never End (Pillbox), Sunday, 8 May 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
;_; missing u ;_;
― thats my meme dont were it out (Pillbox), Thursday, 19 May 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
sigh
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 May 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
<3 the ever loving shit out of this show
my torrents cut out before the end credits, assuming there are any, and at the end of the ep where they're running around trying to get winona's stolen dough back in the safe, the music from 'the shield' came into my head
that's how good it is
― if white indie hipsters could fly this place would be top gun (history mayne), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
After seeing Josh Gibbs (Gutterson, the awesome sniper marshall) in "The Pacific" this weekend, I feel it is important to say that dude is v v handsome, despite being eclipsed by Olyphant.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh Jacob Pitts. Who is Josh Gibbs, wtf my brain
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't like Justified's theme song. :/
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not great. Like low-rent Everlast.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
one of my dogs LOVES the theme song - damn near any other theme song she freaks out, gets anxious and angry at the tv (30 rock theme sets her the fuck off like mary hart or some shit), but justified comes on and she stops what she's doing, chills out, and sits down in front of the tv w/ a smile on. i think she just likes the show.
― balls, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
haha my kid's like that with the Colbert Report theme music
i believe i once described the Justified theme as Everlast f/ Chali 2na
― a http://bit.ly/kv895M (some dude), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
That story about the dog reminds me of this:
http://nastynets.com/?p=2890
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
just binged on s2, super dope
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, it was a considerable step up from s1 no doubt
― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
btw, have never watched the shield; if i like justified, i'll like the shield?
― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
the reversal at the end where mags took the poison was p awesome, like i saw it coming from when she got the two glasses from different spots, but then for a sec i was like maybe she did give it to raylon, v well executed
one thing that kind of continually annoys and interests me abt the show is their relance on super conventional tv tropes, like rayon is saved from death at the last second by his friends via a bullet through doyles head, but then the thing that makes it interesting and maybe more annoying is that its so knowing, the show is v meta, the tension between the naturalistic and contrived approches is incorporated on many levels in a sort of uh dizzying cycle, it becomes a primary edge and driver of the drama, like raylon wears the cowboy hat because he hated his life and wanted to build a new one, but the only two things he knew abt were this backwoods fucked up criminal bullshit and what hed seen on tv, so he modled himself after a tv lawman, only he actually is a tv lawman, my god
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
now he has to go back and confront his irl past, but tv stuff keeps happening to him while the supporting players roll their eyes at his strange karma
― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:21 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i watched an ep once and it just seemed way too ott, to like a camp extent, but could be i just need to start from the beginning
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
forks, watch the shield! tho goggins aside it's not very similar to justified at all... still a great show. xp
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:21 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
I enjoyed a decent amount of The Shield, and it nails the ending, but there's some OTT bits as mentioned as well as loads and loads and loads of messy writing that always grated on me. They're not very similar at all though, and I know it's a cliche but The Wire always made The Shield seem like a relic.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i like this show but it reminds me of like...something i'd watch aged 10 on saturday nights rather than modern genuinely great tv. it's entertaining for the downtime between better shows but it's kinda simple and there is no real feeling in it for me, apart from loving wynona.
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
waht
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
my opinion...i had to fight my way through both seasons and only when i had absolutely nothing else to watch. that's not to say it's woeful, just there's far better stuff around. everyone is pretty clichéd as a character in this show, there's barely any sense of their inner selves at all anyway, it's just a series of clashes.
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i think you are the only person who likes wynona
― rosa parks did not sit on that bus for this shit (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i would straight up bone timothy olyphant because of this show
― the beta banned (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Felt that way in Season 1 (though I loved watching it, and found the entertainment aspect refreshingly well-done), but I think certain elements of Season 2 ramped it up.
xposts
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp she's cute?
― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
would not bone olyphant but would wingman with him
― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
― the beta banned (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 5:39 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
otm
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
just because characters on the show are terse and guarded doesn't mean there's no feeling!
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i find it like entertaining, that's the exact word. but i don't have any craving to see what the overall plot is or where it's going to go cos it's actually not that intriguing. it's fairly old fashioned like this, even though there is a bigger plot each ep feels kinda self contained. and like...there are no questions you ask like "what's going to happen to raylan" or whatever...it has no tension.
wynona is great btw, tho yeah obv olyphant outdoes her!
x-post they're just not v well fleshed out as people imo
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i think they are just kind of mysterious
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
until you get a flash of insight here or there
but totally compelling! and hot!
i am also just mad at you because apparently you think there is more feeling in mad men than justified
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i am guessing local garda doesn't know anyone in real life like the ppl on justified
― balls, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
ie someone is projecting, not sure it's the characters here that don't have an inner life
― balls, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel like i should let somebody from kentucky make this point but there's also a feeling for the place if that's not too obvious to say
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i am thrilled that natalie zea is on a good show, but slightly less thrilled that she was more naked on 'dirty sexy money' than here.
i totally disagree with the 'relic' remark above about 'the shield' but i do think it helped set a very clear goal for lesser basic-cable shows to follow, i.e. to design interesting short-season plots and load the interest onto those so that individual episodes don't have to be quite so uniform and mechanical as the mediocre end of network dramas.
― j., Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
o it nails the south and southerners, but i'm not sure you can call those ppl 'ppl' really amirite lg? and yeah, if there's one thing you can say about justified it's that it 'has no tension'.
― balls, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
as a character i prefer ava to wynona (wynona was such a pain in the ass this season, guys) but natalie zea is ridiculously beautiful.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
oh right, i don't like this show cos i am not from kentucky and cos i apparently have no inner life. sounds reasonable guys. glad we all appreciate subjectivity.
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't say that! i do think the show is stylized in an elmore leonard way, but that doesn't make the characters flat.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
after raylan settled in during the first season as morally ambiguous but unbothered by that, it seemed that boyd was the much more interesting character. but i have to confess that i only half-watched some of the latter half of the second season, so i couldn't totally track boyd through it.
― j., Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i said it, nothing i've seen here contradicts it
― balls, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
damn, a justified-style showdown appearing right on this very thread
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
please no one start shooting
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
no tension here
― balls, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link