Bin Laden Dead?

But as Politico's Josh Gerstein reports, there's still debate over whether the woman who was killed was being used as a human shield at all.

Another official familiar with the operation said it did not appear that any woman was used as a human shield, but that the woman killed and the one injured were hurt in the crossfire. The official said he believed Brennan had mixed up the episode involving bin Laden's wife with another encounter elsewhere in the compound.

"Two women were shot here. It sounds like their fates were mixed up," said the U.S. official. "This is hours old and the full facts are still being ascertained as those involved are debriefed."

More details emerged at an off-camera briefing for television reporters Monday night, where a senior White House official said bin Laden was not armed when he was killed.

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"hiding behind women who were put in front of him as a shield"

this means something v different from the way ive seen this thing portrayed

the white house press secretary embarrassingly backtracking after incorrect initial accts would strike me as pretty good evidence against a massive--or even mid-sized--conspiracy theory

isn't this standard though? break the news with some concocted bullshit story, recant later after half the country is convinced the first thing they heard was correct? recognizing the spin and lies at work in our military operations does not equal conspiracy theory.

that doesn't sound like he was 'spinning' anything though -- its not that bin laden grabbed them as literal shields in the moment, its that the women were with him as a strategy to make it more difficult should the u.s. want to bomb him

thats how i read the quote max posted anyway

haha i literally could not care less but if the WH wasn't straight-up making shit up they were playing reallll fast & loose with the account they originally received

Everything's fine as long as they radioed "Geronimo, Geronimo, EKIA" when he died.

(I could swear that Chuck Todd was coming when he said that last night.)

isn't this standard though? break the news with some concocted bullshit story, recant later after half the country is convinced the first thing they heard was correct? recognizing the spin and lies at work in our military operations does not equal conspiracy theory.

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oh sure, im just saying

haha i literally could not care less but if the WH wasn't straight-up making shit up they were playing reallll fast & loose with the account they originally received

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not in what was quoted -- 'positioned as a shield" suggests someone outside had put these women in a situation where they would be in harms way, not that bin laden literally grabbed women & used them as a shield

what's the over/under on how long this particular debate can go on, I'm on the phone w/my bookie

what debate?

pick one

A) some jerry bruckheimer narrative bullshit went down like bin laden shooting it out w/ navy seals while using a woman as a human shield

B) they went in there, pacified everyone in the place with extreme prejudice, who the hell knows what else went down, we'll find out in 10 years or so

A) sounds more like Naked Gun to me

I dunno, I overheard all that shit yesterday on FOX NEWS, who kept repeating it ad nauseam. Like, it wasn't bad enough that he killed thousands of people on our soil, he was also a cowardly piece of shit...it's like, why wouldn't you expect ppl drinking and carousing about bin Laden's death when they are constantly being told by established news media outlets that the War on Terror is essentially a recap of Die Hard 2..

and that's all I was trying to say.

(xposts galore I know)

whether shield means bin laden was a viking in his dreams or just that he's really good at sleeping

surprised the initial account didn't include "bin laden revealed his plans for world domination to the navy seals shortly before they escaped his booby-trapped lair"

i hope they don't take out william sadler next~!

any stories about the actual action are straight up last scene in Angels With Dirty Faces biz imo

i mean its obviously e3's "B"--but the fact that the white house is already, not 48 hours after the announcement, scrambling to cover its ass about the story? shouldnt that indicate that the forces at play here arent nearly as sophisticated and mysterious as theyve been implied to be?

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I think the news media's blind eagerness to present bin Laden in cartoon-villain dimensions

haha what

the guy was hard to exaggerate

max otm obv

whether shield means bin laden was a viking in his dreams or just that he's really good at sleeping

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 8:30 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

^ this post is awesome and totally impenetrable

any stories about the actual action are straight up last scene in Angels With Dirty Faces biz imo

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 8:31 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark

^ this post is on point

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48 hours after the announcement? it's already legend in sheboygan.

xpssss

am0n is that a giant cake or

i dont think it had time to make it to sheboygan, my friend

"OK boys, let's go say a prayer for a guy who couldn't stick with the CIA when he had a good thing going"

Shootout was also preceded by a taunting monologue by Philip Seymour bin Laden.

Who am I to argue with a group of Navy SEALs about the best way to safely complete such an operation? If they said they did things by the book, sounds fine to me.

srsly hope that is enormous chocolate mousse bin laden

but were arguing at cross-purposes anyway. no one in this country--sheboygan least of all--would care if we just straight-up shot bin laden in the dome piece! so the fact that there appears to be some argument about whether or not he was resisting indicates that this isnt like a planned info release by the pentagon or whomever

aero, OTM re: Wiggum's vikingocity and the layers thereof vis-a-vis OBL.

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I think the news media's blind eagerness to present bin Laden in cartoon-villain dimensions

Cf. http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2011/05/modes-of-representation.html

i dont think anyone on this thread who is arguing is arguing with someone in this thread

max otm but im not sure who is off tm

i guess except the guy who wants us to appreciate the subtle ethical nuances of bin laden

xxp wait does this mean that Obama is going to appoint Parker & Stone to the Dept. of Defense?

i am arguing with steve shasta i think (?)

The strike team at Abbottabad retrieved 10 hard drives, five computers and more than 100 storage devices: disks, DVDs, and thumb drives, a U.S. intelligence official said.

In addition, the team retrieved written material, not further described, but in the past, U.S. forces have retrieved notebooks and address books that were helpful in locating other terrorists. The U.S. intelligence community is willingly releasing this materal, hoping that those who believe their names and personal data are on those devices will go to ground, thus reducing even further the terrorist threat.

however the media treated this (i dont have cable news) based entirely on that quote max posted it didnt sound like dude was describing it like a michael bay film to me but maybe i missed some important quotes there

The strike team at Abbottabad retrieved 10 hard drives, five computers and more than 100 storage devices: disks, DVDs, and thumb drives, a U.S. intelligence official said.

turns out the terrorists are kickass spider solitair players

bin Laden loved him some "Space Channel 5"

presumably they were smuggling in hard drives loaded with new tv shows, what with their compound not having television or internet access.

Osama actually was a big Battlestar Galactica fan

Imagine bin Laden being all "the new season of 'Dexter'? PRAISE ALLAH!"

He would like that one.

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