Bin Laden Dead?

i can't remember, i'm looking for it.

hmmm!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=173_1304363717

nrq, yer the biggest fucking bore imaginable. Alfred, raeding too much Sullivan has put you w/in shouting distance.

goin lookin for OBAMA WARLORD t-shirt, bye pundits

I'm sorry I proffered Steve Coll in return for Dennis Perrin and Greenwald.

Mission accomplished:

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ceasing drone operations in pakistan would basically mean ceasing the entire afghan war

the interpretation of petraeus as CIA cheif has been that he's "mr. drone". maybe that's way off, but a complete drone moratorium seems kind of unlikely.

not that i wouldn't mind 'cutting and running' personally!

― goole, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 16:54 (2 hours ago)

Mr. drone, that's my name, that name again is mr. drone.

jon lee anderson ruminates on the death of che

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/05/burial-lessons-from-che-to-bin-laden.html#ixzz1LIoFN9Y5

When, on the morning of October 9, 1967, Che was executed by Bolivian army rangers in an operation overseen by the C.I.A., his bullet-riddled body was airlifted by helicopter to the nearby town of Vallegrande. That afternoon, after nuns had washed his corpse, the dead Che was put on public display in the laundry house of the town’s hospital. Che’s corpse was viewed by hundreds of curious locals and a handful of journalists, who photographed it and filmed it. By that time, Bolivia’s military high command had issued a communiqué that Che had died of wounds suffered in battle. Guevara had, in fact, died of bullet wounds—but not in battle. After being wounded and taken alive, he had been held overnight, in the dirt-floored schoolhouse of a tiny rural hamlet. He was interrogated by a C.I.A. agent and Bolivian officers, and then executed, shot to death at close range by a Bolivian sergeant, who volunteered to do the job. The C.I.A. agent in charge ordered Che’s executioner to shoot him from the neck down so that it looked like he had died in battle, and he did.

i'm entertaining the possibility that what happened in osama's house is maybe not very much like how it's been characterized /alexjones

greenwald otm. I think the news media's blind eagerness to present bin Laden in cartoon-villain dimensions is subtly more disgraceful than all the drunken jingoistic revelry...

to think osama was an american hero once upon a time. a valiant freedom fighter!

Can't wait to read a Sy Hersh piece in the next few weeks/months.

Wish he was on Twitter.

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Helicopter by Miuccia Prada

Did anyone catch today's White House presser with John Carney to admit errors with John Brennan's claims of Osama's "armed resistance", and use of "wife" as "human shield" who was "killed".

Good stuff.

did his hair fall out to assume a perfect Ari Fleischer pattern?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpKqBvbx26s

Incredible piece by Gary Younge: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/03/bin-laden-death-us-patriot-reflex

xpost Yeah, too bad the press is disgracefully failing to depict this guy in the shades of nuance he deserves. On one hand, yeah, he was a messianic bringer of death excused by a twisted ideology. On the other hand, um, he kept cool under pressure?

the white house press secretary embarrassingly backtracking after incorrect initial accts would strike me as pretty good evidence against a massive--or even mid-sized--conspiracy theory

US forces were stationed just a few hundred yards from Osama Bin Laden's Abbottabad compound in October 2008, according to reports within the WikiLeaks embassy cables.

max, that's what they WANT you to think

Thanks Suzy, that is indeed a great article.

suzy, how is Yonge's substance any different than what D Perrin was saying?

xp to Josh in Chi: yeah let's just keep the news media the domain of pandering half-truths and unquestioning parroting of lying government officials. That should work out well for us...

pretty sure there's no such thing as a "great article" that starts with a paragraph-long Simpsons reference

xpost Yeah, too bad the press is disgracefully failing to depict this guy in the shades of nuance he deserves. On one hand, yeah, he was a messianic bringer of death excused by a twisted ideology. On the other hand, um, he kept cool under pressure?

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, May 3, 2011 4:04 PM (15 seconds ago)

bin laden was even worse

*rimshot*

What an unmitigated piece of shit this woman is.

Speaking at a fundraising event Monday evening, Sarah Palin credited President Bush by name for the death of Osama bin Laden but omitted the name of President Obama in her remarks.

Palin spoke to a crowd at Colorado Christian University in Lakewood, Colo. “Yesterday was a testament to the military’s dedication in relentlessly hunting down an enemy through many years of war,” the former Alaska governor said. “And we thank our president. ... We thank President Bush for having made the right calls to set up this victory.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-palin-bin-laden-remarks-20110503,0,4220829.story

Bam = messianic bringer of revenge

xxp

i beat you to that joke!

the white house press secretary embarrassingly backtracking after incorrect initial accts would strike me as pretty good evidence against a massive--or even mid-sized--conspiracy theory

― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:04 PM (3 minutes ago)

I'm just trying to imagine the conversations that led up to the back-pedalling... "Oh, wait, he wasn't resisting? Or even armed? Then he must have used his wife as a human shield, right? Oh no, she wasn't a human shield, she was just running out of the way and got shot in the back of the leg? Oh and she didn't die?"

it's a little like someone was playing Counterstrike while being briefed on how the mission played out and got confused

I hear she's recently single, do we have any pictures?

Then again, with "youngest wife" I'm guessing she is way young, right?

sure dude

"Thinking about that from a visual perspective, here is bin Laden, who has been calling for these attacks, living in this million dollar-plus compound, living in an area that is far removed from the front, hiding behind women who were put in front of him as a shield," Brennan said. "I think it really just speaks to just how false his narrative has been over the years."

Pressed on the issue, Brennan said that it was his understanding that the woman killed was bin Laden's wife and that "she was positioned in a way that indicated that she was being used as a shield."

It's possible it may have been a mix-up of two separate incidents during the assault on the compound. As a senior administration official said at a Pentagon briefing Monday: "One woman, who was used as a human shield by one of the four military-age males on the compound, was killed; he was firing behind her. Two women, including one with Osama bin Laden, were wounded. And the rest were not injured at all."

i beat you to that joke!

― estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 8:10 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yours was funnier too

But as Politico's Josh Gerstein reports, there's still debate over whether the woman who was killed was being used as a human shield at all.

Another official familiar with the operation said it did not appear that any woman was used as a human shield, but that the woman killed and the one injured were hurt in the crossfire. The official said he believed Brennan had mixed up the episode involving bin Laden's wife with another encounter elsewhere in the compound.

"Two women were shot here. It sounds like their fates were mixed up," said the U.S. official. "This is hours old and the full facts are still being ascertained as those involved are debriefed."

More details emerged at an off-camera briefing for television reporters Monday night, where a senior White House official said bin Laden was not armed when he was killed.

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New FB avatar thx dude

"hiding behind women who were put in front of him as a shield"

this means something v different from the way ive seen this thing portrayed

the white house press secretary embarrassingly backtracking after incorrect initial accts would strike me as pretty good evidence against a massive--or even mid-sized--conspiracy theory

isn't this standard though? break the news with some concocted bullshit story, recant later after half the country is convinced the first thing they heard was correct? recognizing the spin and lies at work in our military operations does not equal conspiracy theory.

that doesn't sound like he was 'spinning' anything though -- its not that bin laden grabbed them as literal shields in the moment, its that the women were with him as a strategy to make it more difficult should the u.s. want to bomb him

thats how i read the quote max posted anyway

haha i literally could not care less but if the WH wasn't straight-up making shit up they were playing reallll fast & loose with the account they originally received

Everything's fine as long as they radioed "Geronimo, Geronimo, EKIA" when he died.

(I could swear that Chuck Todd was coming when he said that last night.)

isn't this standard though? break the news with some concocted bullshit story, recant later after half the country is convinced the first thing they heard was correct? recognizing the spin and lies at work in our military operations does not equal conspiracy theory.

― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 4:17 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh sure, im just saying

haha i literally could not care less but if the WH wasn't straight-up making shit up they were playing reallll fast & loose with the account they originally received

― estkella (k3vin k.), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 8:21 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not in what was quoted -- 'positioned as a shield" suggests someone outside had put these women in a situation where they would be in harms way, not that bin laden literally grabbed women & used them as a shield

what's the over/under on how long this particular debate can go on, I'm on the phone w/my bookie

what debate?

pick one

A) some jerry bruckheimer narrative bullshit went down like bin laden shooting it out w/ navy seals while using a woman as a human shield

B) they went in there, pacified everyone in the place with extreme prejudice, who the hell knows what else went down, we'll find out in 10 years or so

A) sounds more like Naked Gun to me

I dunno, I overheard all that shit yesterday on FOX NEWS, who kept repeating it ad nauseam. Like, it wasn't bad enough that he killed thousands of people on our soil, he was also a cowardly piece of shit...it's like, why wouldn't you expect ppl drinking and carousing about bin Laden's death when they are constantly being told by established news media outlets that the War on Terror is essentially a recap of Die Hard 2..

and that's all I was trying to say.