Bin Laden Dead?

wake up, sheeple!

what would be their reason for hiding pakistan's co-operation, if it existed?

presumably pakistan would not want to broadcast their cooperation because they depend on terrorist groups to hassle india (also fear of direct terrorist retaliation inside pakistan)

uhhh one of shastas links is a pakistani news article broadcasting pakistani intelligence-sharing leading to the osama mission

this geopolitical stuff seems awfully morally compromised!

"For Pakistan's rulers it's a catch-22. Should they announce that they had advance knowledge about the American mission, radical elements within Pakistan will blame them for the death of their leader. Should they claim that they had no information about the mission, they end up looking incompetent."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/03/3206700.htm

max is that the "dawn.com" one? i got a weird interstitial when i clicked on it, got the heebie jeebies and closed the window

the one from onlinenews.com.pk

the cia and isi communicate a lot. it is not weird for them to be meeting all the time! especially not one month after a cia agent was arrested for murdering two pakistani citizens.

and this is all making the assumption that "the isi" is a unified, indivisible institution w/ a single power center

Huh, there was actually a third envoy one week ago today, Petraeus was near Islamabad:

"SAF commander General David Petraeus paid a visit to Islamabad on April 25 and he is said to have held "a short and crisp" discussion with Kayani at Chaklala airbase, an unusual venue for a meeting.

The two generals are even said to have taken a short trip to an undisclosed location in an aircraft.

The same night Petraeus joined a White House meeting chaired by President Barack Obama through teleconferencing.

Observers feel that Obama referred to that meeting in his speech yesterday in which he announced the death of bin Laden."

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?720841

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqoMgUkefXw
"aquaman's problem now"

yeah i think indian newspapers are definitely the best place to get information about pakistans military

i'd be just as willing to believe that this was done w/o knowledge of the pakistanis as a huge fuck-you, your country sucks, deal with it.

but yeah the logistics of it are waaay beyond my amateur war-nerdery to figure out. a few helicopters? and they dumped him in the ocean? there isn't really an ocean nearby... those things must have good range, who knows.

he was buried in the arabian sea apparently

uh atlantis, WAKE UP

Wait, is the implication that Pakistan used OBL as a bargaining chip to ... stop drone attacks? That doesn't make any sense to me, so I must have read it wrong. What does Pakistan gain from such an agreement? The drone thing is a red herring, because we'll sure as hell keep them up if we need to, especially following a concession from Pakistan/the ISI that they knew where OBL was. Pakistan might emerge from such a hypothetical agreement briefly drone-free, but I can't see how the country would possibly be in a better position vis a vis its relationship with the US.

they'd have to fly over all of pk to get there!

xps

Did they chum the water first?

they flew to bagram air base first.

they'd have to fly over all of pk to get there!

xps

― goole, Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

we have a few bases in afghanistan they could have stopped at!

xp lol

Let's just see, eh? Taking Indian security source cum grano salis vs Bush wouldn't authorize blanket drone grounding in P-stan and hence didn't get the prize can be verified if there's a dramatic reduction in drone strikes. We should be able to check up on this in the months ahead.

What does Pakistan gain from such an agreement?

Resumption of full sovereignty/political cover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxVdU2eVYSg&feature=player_embedded

Also Shasta's first link has a rebuttal from w/i Indian security forces:

"However, another security expert, Ajay Sahni, differs. In his view, bin Laden’s elimination was a top secret operation done by the US alone and has increased problems for Pakistan, as it is caught in a dilemma whether to concur for providing help to the US in killing the Al-Qaeda leader or feign ignorance of his presence in a garrison town like Abbottabad where he was being “kept in an ISI safehouse”. “It is doomed either way. It cannot claim not knowing Osama’s presence nor can it say that the US operated on its own deep inside its territory without its knowledge. Pakistan establishment now should brace for severe Al-Qaeda retaliation,” he warned."

Oh damn, goole already posted. Oh well...

this geopolitical stuff seems awfully morally compromised!

― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 6:00 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

moment of clarity or sarcasm?

max otm basically on all this stuff but im not even sure how it amounts to a 'conspiracy' yet

just vague sense that the cia and navy seals did some kinda underhand shit, but that's crazy talk

can't tell if this is just tuff talk or if the party's over

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-bin-laden-pakistan-aid-20110503,0,4581823.story

'pakistan' didn't harbour osama, this is the whole thing

and this is all making the assumption that "the isi" is a unified, indivisible institution w/ a single power center

― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 6:05 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark

basically applies to whole country

Greenwald on that John Brennan asshole and the other liars:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/03/propaganda_bin_laden/index.html

and the Ground Zero circus:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/03/no-dignity-ground-zero-frat-boy

some clues as to how the helicopters evaded pakistani defences

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjsa0vvlq1qzu2tdo1_400.gif

Did they chum the water first?

― Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), T

They did by throwing Osama in it.

greenwald is a bore

he thinks osama firing back made killing him legally justifiable? really? the navy seals were breaking all kinds of laws national and international just being there.

moment of clarity or sarcasm?

― lloyd banks knew my father (history mayne), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 5:25 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lolled

lolled banks

can we just take a moment to enjoy some recent edit history on Osama's wiki

Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden (Arabic: أسامة بن محمد بن عوض بن لادن‎, ʾUsāmah bin Muḥammad bin ʿAwaḍ bin Lādin; March 10, 1957 – May 2, 2011)[1][2][3] was the founder of the al-Qaeda organization, which is largely believed to be responsible for the September 11 attacks on the United States[citation needed] and numerous other mass-casualty attacks against civilian and military targets. He was also a member of the wealthy Saudi bin Laden family. ROT IN HELL YOU BASTARD. USA!USA!USA!

Place of birth Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Place of death Abbottabad, Pakistan
Resting place Arabian Sea
Allegiance The Devil

Speaking of "frat boy reactions," Leon Panetta is excitingly speculating about which actors should portray him in the movie about the Hunt for bin Laden, helpfully suggesting Al Pacino.

Given what Pacino does these days, that sounds apt.

inspired

maybe Leon Panetta can play Al Pacino!

I somewhat concur w/'frat boy reactions' analysis but I'm not sure they were any less dignified than the kids in Abbottabad claiming that Osama was still alive or the ppl in Quetta all butthurt that he wasn't - popular demonstrations are often vulgar.

popular demonstrations are often vulgar.

like that youtube I posted above, shit's hilarious

Also, why have we not heard from Abbottt about all this? She was the first person I thought of when I heard the news.

As irritated as I am that the media got suckered, once again, by tales of cowardice on the part of our enemies, I think complaining about the "vulgarity" of demonstrations is almost as stupid.

It's pretty pointless

Y'all know my respect for Greenwald, but he's posted hack work the last two days. Steve Coll's New Yorker piece boasted the best show of ambivalence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSbecu_egQE