Bin Laden Dead?

washington times = even more amateur version of ny post

run by moonies iirc.

xp - I do now.

The Times was read every day by President Ronald Reagan during his terms in office

which sea? xp

how long have u been bananas foster wallace because that is a fucking A+ username

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, May 2, 2011 12:33 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thx, there's a thread for this!

and Human Events!

xxpost

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/05/on-cheering-death/238159/

I'm with Fallows:

Hooray. It is almost never right to celebrate a death. Almost.

I think I'll stop noting that Bin Laden was a killer of Muslims. I feel like Giuliani lecturing Harlem on "black on black" crime. Muslim is a big word, and part of the problem with the last ten years has been the unwillingness to acknowledge that fact. What actually sticks with me is Bin Laden killed mass quantities of human beings with almost [no (sic)] regard for distinctions. It's not that he killed Muslims. It's that he didn't much care who he killed.

The body-count, in number and means, is spectacular--I think Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who video-taped himself beheading human beings. I think about the hundreds of people killed in the bombing of al-Askaria Mosque, with the apparent hope of fomenting a Civil War. I think about the deaths in Nairobi, and bombing of night-clubs in Bali. It really is bigger than 9/11.

Faced with that level of callous disregard for life, I find it a little difficult to lecture 25-year olds who came of age during this time on their varied reactions. Americans are humans too.

Fallows and Coll have been A+ today.

I am looking forward to next week's Osama-themed Family Circus

cannot get enough of "osama is dead tonight"

The song is good evidence that we're heading for the real life version of "Idiocracy," but an air-headed tmz watching club-goers version rather than a monster truck loving redneck version.

I haven't listened but please tell me it's to the tune of that one Goo Goo Dolls song.

Jordan S is so great in this thread.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/05/pakistani-ambassador-america-cant-find-whitey-bulger-so-why-do-you-expect-us-to-locate-bin-laden/238156/

lol ambassador talking baout mobsters

BBC News going into overdrive with a special programme now.

that song
it's like the bizarro james brown is dead

that song is awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiDyrkU0WAQ

If you don't think the whole birther thing is "necessarily" racist, than I don't really have an issue because its not even worth my time trying to argue it with you.

no, I don't think the whole thing is; like, my Dad thinks he was not born in America, but also thinks the rule that you can't be U.S. President if you weren't born here is stupid and doesn't think he should be thrown out or anything, just maybe a result of reading some bad blogs or something

the idea is if you think this is a big deal and that he's not a legit president, that's stupid and probably a race issue since GWB probably wasn't a 'legit' president either. I'd be curious what would happen if it were somehow proven out that he wasn't born here and if you'd see it as a race issue then.

I'll give you ten guesses as to where the "he wasn't born in America" concept comes from, and the first nine don't count. Ready? Go.

(Here is a hint: It is because he is black and has a funny name. That should help you guess. OK, go.)

"just maybe a result of reading some bad blogs or something"
side effects may include

but what if they could prove that jews have horns, would it still be anti-semitic to say that? think about it.

I'd be curious what would happen if it were somehow proven out that he wasn't born here and if you'd see it as a race issue then.

there are not enough facepalm gifs in the world

is it anti-semitic if you can prove all jews are horny?

there are not enough facepalm gifs in the world

otm, I briefly entertained the though of GISing one, but, so not worth it

not enough SBs either

wait, can't you just respond to the question

Your use of commas bothers me too. Suggest ban punctuation.

"I think I'll stop noting that Bin Laden was a killer of Muslims. I feel like Giuliani lecturing Harlem on "black on black" crime. Muslim is a big word, and part of the problem with the last ten years has been the unwillingness to acknowledge that fact. What actually sticks with me is Bin Laden killed mass quantities of human beings with almost [no (sic)] regard for distinctions. It's not that he killed Muslims. It's that he didn't much care who he killed."

for what it's worth, bin laden thought a lot of muslims were as bad as the jews or whatever. and he DID, you know, target actual, um, targets. who was around when those targets were hit probably didn't concern him much, that's probably true.

Scarily enough, Ross Douthat mostly OTM: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/opinion/02douthat.html . Except these are all things he (and a lot of other people) should have realized no later than 9/13/2001, not a decade later.

wait, can't you just respond to the question

what, exactly, is your question?

my Dad thinks he was not born in America, but also thinks the rule that you can't be U.S. President if you weren't born here is stupid and doesn't think he should be thrown out or anything

So then why the hell does the question of where he was born even come up? Is there a particular reason to talk about that issue, outside of presidential eligibility?

Divorcing "Obama is not from America" from "Obama is not eligible to be president" removes the racism excuse and just makes that idea straight up racist!

if somehow the birthers were right, if the guy who first brought it up had some inside info or whatever, would you still think that the movement as a whole or the subsequent movement to impeach him was a racist thing?

also since I'm sure some of you are going to claim this let me point out that I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY OF THE BIRTHER THEORIES AT ALL

Sorry frogbs, you have to admit race, whether subconscious or not, has to play a role.

All Presidents are victims of urban myths and mistruths, but usually they're based on a much smaller and insignificant truth or rumor that is merely distorted or twisted to smear the candidate.

The birther movement was based on a claim made by a dude who filed a lawsuit based on evidence he himself fabricated in an interview he wanted to trick into falsely declaring Kenyan-born through the difficulties experienced due to using a translator.

Couple that with the fact that many in the Birther movement often were the same who said "I think Obama is a closet Muslim" simply because of his name and skin color, without subjecting the evidence to any real scrutiny, and there you go.

if somehow the birthers were right, if the guy who first brought it up had some inside info or whatever

I have inside info that frogsb is a rapist. Please start the investigation.

simply because of his name and skin color

I think it is mostly the Kenyan father that gets this ppl going.

*these

and the "school in Indonesia"

best song about OBL and the war on terror ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlBnJ0egT_4

I figure the birther thing emerged whole cloth out of the collective psyche of those with a oedipal need to delegitimize an authority figure--better that than admit the questionable legitimacy of authority per se.

Who is to say Obama was even born?

if somehow the birthers were right, if the guy who first brought it up had some inside info or whatever, would you still think that the movement as a whole or the subsequent movement to impeach him was a racist thing?

this chain of hypothetical events is just so dumb in so many ways, sorry if no one wants to waste their time persuading you

Did anyone ever see bin Laden and Obama in the same room? Funny that he hasn't really done the media thing much since Obama's been in the spotlight. They're both tall men, have we ever seen Osama without a beard?!?

omg i hear frogbs is a rapist.

So then why the hell does the question of where he was born even come up? Is there a particular reason to talk about that issue, outside of presidential eligibility?

b/c I asked him about it, at the time I really had no idea what it was all about
you can buy into a theory without having the same motives as the people who created it

Couple that with the fact that many in the Birther movement often were the same who said "I think Obama is a closet Muslim" simply because of his name and skin color, without subjecting the evidence to any real scrutiny, and there you go.

The Secret Muslim thing is pure racism, as these people believe that being a Muslim is a genetic trait, passed down from the father, and not a matter of faith or choice.

There's no reason to think there is any inside info or whatever, and all the reason in the world to think he is an eligible president - so maintaining scepticism is just stupid, which is even worse.

you can buy into a theory without having the same motives as the people who created it

― frogbs, Monday, 2 May 2011 18:43 (10 seconds ago) Bookmark

yes but you can't do it without sounding like a complete dickhead.

this chain of hypothetical events is just so dumb in so many ways, sorry if no one wants to waste their time persuading you

smh