Luck: HBO series: David Milch, Dustin Hoffman, Michael Mann

yeah i guess there was the boston herald too
http://www.metacritic.com/tv/treme/season-1/critic-reviews

yes a lot of critics gave treme As when it came out

If they still liked it when the season ended I dunno, but few pro critics were like "I shit on this show about New Orleans from the Wire guy" when it came out

Treme is great.

I didn't actually mean critics though. I don't know anyone irl who liked it and a lot of people who strongly disliked it.

i don't really talk to anybody irl about television tbh

Unfortunately 90% of my conversations are pop-culture based

i'm not saying that with any pride btw, it's just that most of my friends watch different tv than i like
and i can't see chatting up the work folks with "that modern family is a SCREAM, rite?"

My father-in-law liked it but he's a professional musician who has probably skipped out of many cab fares in his day so I think he's biased

Treme is great. suckers walked into it expecting The Wire set in New Orleans and got mad that it was a different show.

treme is dope. gotta say that luck looks awesome, too. wish i had hbo, might have to re-up on that.

treme was really good. different from simon's other stuff but who wants him to do exactly the same thing over and over? I don't. glad to see him out of baltimore for a change.

luck looks good. HBO has some good stuff, again, after a year or two there where it was getting kind of bankrupt.

I have high hopes for Armando Ianucci's upcoming HBO show "Veep"

I didn't like Treme much, but what I like even less is people who say I didn't like it because it wasn't "The Wire."

What do I know, though, I liked John from Cincinnati a whole lot.

u only liked John from Cincinnati bc it took place in an old timey western frontier town

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yeah i realize thats a disingenuous throwaway remark, sorry.

i loved John from Cincinnati too

I loved John from Cincinnati with the Milch commentary track on and the regular audio track off.

when do we get a tv show created by the cohen bros

Not too surprising:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-mann-david-milch-split-181092

i'm actually really surprised mann had that big a hand in it in the first place. i figured it'd be a thing where he just directs the pilot and slaps his name on the show a la scorsese & boardwalk empire, but according to this:

After what an HBO source describes as "serious" discussions, Milch has the final word on scripts, but Mann decides everything else, from casting to cutting to music. Clearly that is not a situation to which Milch, the Emmy-winning writer-producer of NYPD Blue and Deadwood, has lately been accustomed.

rad, cochi loco is in this

mann loves ortiz.

Mann decides everything else, from casting to cutting to music.

wonder who else is directing

Terry George and Allen Coulter apparently (me neither).

HBO's gonna have their 'house' guys direct it like they do with every show.

Didn't Terry George do Hotel Rwanda?

Totally inevitable. Two of the smartest, toughest, most head-strong, most perfectionist auteurs in the biz, collaborating? Ha. I'd watch a show about their behind the scenes fights.

Premieres in January.

trailer

http://www.slashfilm.com/tv-trailer-michael-manndirected-hbo-drama-series-luck-starring-dustin-hoffman-nick-nolte/

This better be good

The pilot is going to debut after the Boardwalk Empire finale on Dec. 11, with the season starting proper in January.

the pilot was pretty dope

I liked it. There was some discussion on the sandbox TV thread, maybe I'll copy it over when sandbox comes back

downloads furiously

I liked it. It was confusing, but pretty.

when does the season start

i bet the horse betting stuff is gonna confuse the crap outta me

think it starts at the end of the month

yeah the real premier is Jan. 29 (which I assume will be the pilot showing again, with a new ep on Feb 5)

The pilot for this was insanely good.

I just love Milch's writing. It's like otherworldly Shakespeare, in that it takes you a bit to get into the rhythms, etc., but once you do, you feel much more connected to it. You have to PAY. ATTENTION. I like that he doesn't seem concerned with realism in his dialog at all, but it also seems like whatever the style becomes, it will have its own consistency, and therefore will become more comfortable/decipherable for the viewer over time.

so this pilot ain't on HBO Go?

no shockingly!

probably cos it was a sneak preview deal

mordy i can't seem to reply to you on facebook, but i'm okay waiting

its on teh torrents just fyi

holy cow that horse run very good.

Pilot is Michael Mann, though, right? I wonder who they got to direct the other eps. Probably called Walter Hill off the bench again, I hope.

that horse run very good

from the sound of things Mann was heavily involved throughout