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oh come on next you're gonna say you and ethan cohen got high in tyrel ventura's camaro parked underneath the paul bunyan statue with a tape of 'credit in heaven' playing.

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

which i totally did once, btw

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Which is where I come in.

My Minnesota stuff is like crazy magic realism that happens to be true. When I was home, my dad gave me a drawing of my grandmother someone had done in 1930, which I've had framed (I think I told you about this at FAP, Geoff). She was born in New York, but moved to Minnesota when she was very young. She used to tell me great stories about going to the Commodore and the Lexington in the '30s and because she was both startlingly gorgeous and in art college, she had a lot of fun getting chased by the film stars who drank there.

*Johnny Cash voice*

My dad was born in a town called Excelsior...

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:29 (twenty years ago)

oh come on next you're gonna say you and ethan cohen got high in tyrel ventura's camaro parked underneath the paul bunyan statue with a tape of 'credit in heaven' playing.

haha tyrel ventura deserves his own appreciation thread! he was the "k-fed" of governor's sons! kegger at the gov's mansion!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

and fuck a paul bunyan statue! this is how my hometown blue earth (jayhawks holla) gets down on the plastic statue tip:

ihttp://206.146.95.55/images2/GG.jpg

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

http://marklauter.com/albums/PADOtto/050301_Hymies_Records.thumb.jpg

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Where is that place? I know where it isn't...

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)

it's on east lake street....amazing store. a little east of cedar and lake...

hymie RIP.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

The great thing about Hymie's vs. Cheapo (and others) is that Hymie's prices things according to actual value, not some cutesy hipster kitsch. Also, the local music section is AMAZING most of the time.

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

the other good thing about hymies versus cheapo is that hymies employees don't cherry pick all the good vinyl that comes in and buy it themselves before they put it out on the store shelves....the drummer in my band was right behind this guy selling this really rare new order live thing, and after the guy sold it, he asked the kid if he could buy it and the kid was like "sorry dude i'm totally taking that." grrrrrrrrrrr

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

(Hey John! How you doin"?)

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

(hello, suzy. I am well...)

At least you can rest assured that the Cheapo clerk payed absolute top dollar for that album...

aggravating.

Hey M@tt, did you ever see the Goddamn Doo-wop Band? And have I managed to miss several of your shows in a row, once again?

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:16 (twenty years ago)

(john,

nope i haven't seen them yet....will do soon...they prolly have a myspace thing up or something...

yep, we just got through playing a bunch of shows...including a "benefit" for big vs on sat. w/april epidemic, half fiction, mc/vl, and tight pants - haha - so j0e h0ll@nd and j0hn br0wn can buy a new better PA for the place cuz god knows Vic is too cheap to do it....was a lot of people there...

btw....MC/VL is arzu's boyfriend's rap group, really fun old skool beastie boys - licensed to ill- not really a parody though cuz it's actually better than the last two beasties records...use samples of hell's bells and pour some sugar on me...)

(hope you are well!)

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Eric H--yeah, I'm MySpace friends w/Fancy Ray, that's what made me think of him. Most of the folks on this thread no longer live in Mpls but here we are!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:18 (twenty years ago)

I had no idea who Fancy Ray was; I just assumed he was the owner of video stores and sex shops. One of them has him messing around with an inflatable sheep

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:49 (twenty years ago)

I saw a clip one time of Fancy Ray doing "I Put a Spell On You" by Screaming Jay Hawkins on Puttin' on the Hits. I wonder if that's on Youtube?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Hey Matos,

Do you remember the Mpls rapper Top Tone? He had an album called "What Part of the Game is This?"

I saw him at Wendy's a month or so ago. He was wearing a really old and shabby Scarface (movie) leather jacket...he was just kinda milling around the Wendy's on Broadway and 94 in North....he looked kinda sad....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:58 (twenty years ago)

She used to tell me great stories about going to the Commodore and the Lexington in the '30s and because she was both startlingly gorgeous and in art college, she had a lot of fun getting chased by the film stars who drank there.

Suzy, what were the Commodore and the Lexington? Where were they? What were films stars doing here in the '30s?!!

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Thursday, 16 March 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

As for Top Tone, one man's "shabby" is another man's "vintage," right? Every once in a while somebody tells me I should follow-up this, but I haven't yet:

http://citypages.com/databank/22/1092/article9927.asp

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Thursday, 16 March 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Pete: Lexington is a posh restaurant in St Paul, Commodore an ex-art deco hotel that is now condos, also in St. Paul. People came to town for all sorts of reasons, but please do remember that Lake Minnetonka once had a Hamptons thing going on.

At least one of the film stars was chasing my grandmother, while she was engaged to my grandfather. I don't know for sure how long, but she had to tell him to give up and just go away. She went to MCAD or the U, or MCAD *and* the U, and trained in fashion design. Make no mistake, she was cool.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 16 March 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

pics plz

gbx (skowly), Thursday, 16 March 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Commodore Hotel, Jazz Age Party Pen (think about it):

http://caudle2.home.comcast.net/fsfitz18.gif

Lexington Restaurant, Still Serving Women Who Think They're Babs Paley:

http://www.planet99.com/pix/6859_1.jpg

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 16 March 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Thanks! I hate to ask, but which movie star?

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Thursday, 16 March 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Erm, C14rk G4b13?

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

oo, he nasty

geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Exactly. Lady has standards shocker. She also talked about dancing with J to the F to the K when she lived in Baltimore in the '40s, amongst other strange and starry tales to do with my grandfather's old friends, but she was a very happily married aspirant DFL maven by then.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:52 (twenty years ago)

The one time I went to the Lexington I saw somebody face-down on their table, drunk and/or asleep.

The glamor spot for us Dakota County kids was the Chart House in Prior Lake - nautical theme, lounge music, booze and frogs' legs.

Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:51 (twenty years ago)

i really liked the top tone article pete, that's what i remembered him from...

The Lexington is the bomb.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

My grandmother took me there for my 16th birthday, paid with her issued-in-the-'30s membership/charge, and it was a blast.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:17 (twenty years ago)

btw, what was up with that duck duck goose bullshit?!

gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

You ever yelled Goose in MN? There are good reasoins we say gray-duck.

If on a farm, mean geese will come and chase for reals.

My neighbourhood's 'scary house' had 'guard' geese - mean, low-necked hissing fuckers. Hence the great Minnesota Gray-Duck.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:23 (twenty years ago)

I've been bitten by a goose!

gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

duck duck grey duck is the natural order.

duck duck goose is for losers!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:28 (twenty years ago)

seriously though -- why is this limited to MN? I have never heard ANYONE that isn't MNan say it.

gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Years ago I daydreamed of getting a MN Historical Society grant to map out duck duck gray duck. My aunt teaches kindergarted in Fargo, and they play DDGD. My friend in Des Moines is DDG. I once knew a gal from Marshall, and I think that was DDGD territory too.

Anyone here from outside the Twin Cities? Is DDGD de rigeur in all corners of the state?

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Ask the people who brought the Minnesota vocabulary PHY ED and BILLFOLD - they'll have an answer.

Also, we get so few opportunities for sanctioned yelling there, Grayduck takes A LOT longer to scream.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Plus, if you're playing DDG, instead of DDGD, you don't get to do the "red duck, yellow duck, grrrrrrrEEN duck, blue duck, mauve duck, paisley duck, GREY DUCK!"

...what they don't say billfold and phy ed everywhere else?

gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

You say "phy ed" instead of "phys ed"?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:40 (twenty years ago)

duh

gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:40 (twenty years ago)

gray duh

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

We also go to prom instead of the prom, but I don't know if that's midwestern or Minnesotan or what. I had no idea about billfold and phy ed not being universal and natural. Hot dish, of course.

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

Peppermint bon bon.

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

"Going to prom" (i.e., no definite article) must be Midwestern, because we said it in Illinois. "Billfold" is what, a wallet?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

it was duck duck grey duck in southern Minnesoter (Worthington) for sure.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

Yes well 'prom' is short for 'promenade' so it would be correct to say 'prom' instead of 'the prom' which is redolent of the Love Boat's 'promenade deck' shudder.

Peppermint bon bon = Kemps.

Unique among all Minnesotans, I was not once forced to suffer a crunchy onions/cream of mushroom/green bean (meat) casserole EVER. CoM soup in our house = beef stroganoff or shrimp equivalent. My mother has very specific ideas of what should be eaten (full fat milk, butter, good bread) and what should not (meat from a can, convenience foods, sugar cereals).

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Yes well 'prom' is short for 'promenade' so it would be correct to say 'prom' instead of 'the prom'

I don't follow this logic. Regardless of its derivation, it's being used as a noun, not a verb, in the construction "I'm going to prom with Suzy." It's really the same thing as "going to school" or "going to hospital" (although this latter one is UK/AUS-only).

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

OMG, I hadn't thought about "phy ed" is YEARS.

Dan (GREY DUCK!) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

OMG, I hadn't thought about "phy ed" MR Y0UNG in YEARS.

gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

aahhhghhh. Good lord, no wonder I turned out such a mess...

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

I was forever having East Coast distinctions pointed out to me by this grandmother. No way in Hell was her granddaughter going to NYC with a Minnewegian accent. Mind out my dad's parents were the only people in my family like this and their son is now Homer Simpson plus a trucker hat.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:37 (twenty years ago)


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