A thread for JUSTIFIED, a TV show on FX starring Timothy Olyphant

Winona just makes me mad everytime she shows up. And the whole Raylan running away to whereever is just...ugh, dude seriously?

but that little moment at the end between Boyd and Ava was <3 <3

I'm not sure I fully understand what Boyd is up to with his brother but next week sure looks interestin' :D

Helen :(

Not hard to see coming, but still

Season finale next week. Excited and sad at the same time.

My wife (who doesn't watch the show) looked up from her computer when Mags smacked Dickie and said "That's one tough mama." I replied "You don't know the half of it."

the town hall scene is fucking awesome, where is margo martindale's emmy nomination

margo is queen of tv mommas. talk about a powerhouse.

also Raylan carrying Helen's death all through that last episode was brutal to watch. Olyphant really brought it.

yeah he richly deserves the emmy he'll never get

sigh

i can't tell yet if i think walton goggins is doing a better job here than on 'the shield' or if it's just the role or just the fact that he gets to talk eloquently in a southern accent.

he could tell me my house was on fire and Id be all "hmm? oh that. nevermind. what were you were saying?"

yeah his voice is beautiful

wish he was like Karl Castle on NPR and record answering machine messages for ppl.

season finale tonight!!

Pretty hyped

wooo

That was perfect.

okay, so I've been thinking about this season and I'm a little torn. Yeah, it's leagues better than any other currently running drama series but they really kinda threw in the towel near the end of the season wrt stable characterization... boyd is TURNED EVIL and ava's flipped and everybody's generally acting drastically in and out of character at the drop of a hat cuz otherwise there's no show. That said, the ending was lovely and a nice full circle of the variety you hardly ever see on television.
The thing i like best about this show is its simple ethos: violence, murder, foolishness and brutality are all justifiable sins if you can walk the thin line. If you cannot justify your actions, you get snuffed... generally in the short term, but if necessary in the long. Boyd and Raylan are the only two characters who've learned how to toe that line and though the way they toe it is different, they're still playing the same game and they tend to respect each other's moves.

I agree that Ava's turns weren't well-explored, but I liked Boyd's arc this season, esp. once he folded Johnny back in (love the shot that reveals him still alive, by the way).

Overall the ending was a little tidy but it worked for me. Hope they have the balls to go for Olyphant's conception of the next season...I guess I shouldn't spoil that for folks who don't want to know.

Ava is a bit of an afterthought, but I do think she identified with Helen's practical acceptance of the world she's stuck with, and that informed a lot of her worst choices.

This show has a great way of allowing its characters to make terrible, irrational decisions that seem right in the moment. Ava made a few of those, and Winona seems to specialize in them.

I think it's that quality that made this season wonderfully unpredictable.

Best moment of the finale for me: Raylan chuckling at his own dumb joke while hanging upside down getting beaten up.

Oh, and this is the interview where Tim-O briefly talks about the future of the show, but (more importantly) it also features a great story about David Lynch:

http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt/tt110504timothy_olyphant_jus

boyd is TURNED EVIL and ava's flipped and everybody's generally acting drastically in and out of character

totally disagree on this.. I think Boyd has been playing a long-con ever since the meth-bazooka/church-lynch twist, even if he has often been doing so unconsciously & guided purely by instinct. The understated complexity Walton Goggins has brought to a role which, at face value, reads like a southern-gothic cartoon villain.. I'll just say that, taken in combination w/ the chops he brought on the last couple seasons of The Shield, dude is on a serious fucking roll.

As for Ava, this is a woman who has already knowingly married a murderous criminal, who she then herself murdered.

i dunno, all the character decisions for the whole post black pike mining arc felt pretty strained to me. They also started leaning WAY more heavily on the southern gothic mythos and making Harlan less and less realistic and the characters sound more and more Milch-y. Not every hillbilly is unintentionally eloquent, you know? ymmv. again, it's really more a matter of picking what I didn't like about this season as there was so much that i did.

ava thing didnt bug me? shes not exactly a good girl, and raylan completely and unceremoniously ditched out on her, while boyd stuck by her side and proved himself to be a good companion

yeah, also isn't ava really young? i feel like she's still figuring stuff out.

xp to forks - it's tricky. The southern-goth stuff was laid on SUPER thick this season, esp. at the end, but it was handled so deftly by all involved that I can't come up w/ much to complain about (a little more Dewey Crow comic relief, maybe?). Personally, I would have rather seen a more natural build-up of the 'southern mafia' conflict w/o the Black Pike plot device, but Boyd's roll in that did not seem unnatural imo. The way I read it was like: Boyd's existential/introspective phase ended precisely at the point when he snapped on the dumbass miner dude who would not leave him alone. Everything which ensued was him reverting back to his essential (predetermined?) mindset & exploiting various windows of opportunity (even if, yeah, the Black Pike thing was sorta too convenient).

;_; missing u ;_;

sigh

<3 the ever loving shit out of this show

my torrents cut out before the end credits, assuming there are any, and at the end of the ep where they're running around trying to get winona's stolen dough back in the safe, the music from 'the shield' came into my head

that's how good it is

After seeing Josh Gibbs (Gutterson, the awesome sniper marshall) in "The Pacific" this weekend, I feel it is important to say that dude is v v handsome, despite being eclipsed by Olyphant.

ugh Jacob Pitts. Who is Josh Gibbs, wtf my brain

I don't like Justified's theme song. :/

It's not great. Like low-rent Everlast.

one of my dogs LOVES the theme song - damn near any other theme song she freaks out, gets anxious and angry at the tv (30 rock theme sets her the fuck off like mary hart or some shit), but justified comes on and she stops what she's doing, chills out, and sits down in front of the tv w/ a smile on. i think she just likes the show.

haha my kid's like that with the Colbert Report theme music

i believe i once described the Justified theme as Everlast f/ Chali 2na

That story about the dog reminds me of this:

http://nastynets.com/?p=2890

just binged on s2, super dope

yeah, it was a considerable step up from s1 no doubt

btw, have never watched the shield; if i like justified, i'll like the shield?

the reversal at the end where mags took the poison was p awesome, like i saw it coming from when she got the two glasses from different spots, but then for a sec i was like maybe she did give it to raylon, v well executed

one thing that kind of continually annoys and interests me abt the show is their relance on super conventional tv tropes, like rayon is saved from death at the last second by his friends via a bullet through doyles head, but then the thing that makes it interesting and maybe more annoying is that its so knowing, the show is v meta, the tension between the naturalistic and contrived approches is incorporated on many levels in a sort of uh dizzying cycle, it becomes a primary edge and driver of the drama, like raylon wears the cowboy hat because he hated his life and wanted to build a new one, but the only two things he knew abt were this backwoods fucked up criminal bullshit and what hed seen on tv, so he modled himself after a tv lawman, only he actually is a tv lawman, my god

now he has to go back and confront his irl past, but tv stuff keeps happening to him while the supporting players roll their eyes at his strange karma

btw, have never watched the shield; if i like justified, i'll like the shield?

― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:21 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i watched an ep once and it just seemed way too ott, to like a camp extent, but could be i just need to start from the beginning

forks, watch the shield! tho goggins aside it's not very similar to justified at all... still a great show. xp

btw, have never watched the shield; if i like justified, i'll like the shield?

― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:21 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

I enjoyed a decent amount of The Shield, and it nails the ending, but there's some OTT bits as mentioned as well as loads and loads and loads of messy writing that always grated on me. They're not very similar at all though, and I know it's a cliche but The Wire always made The Shield seem like a relic.

i like this show but it reminds me of like...something i'd watch aged 10 on saturday nights rather than modern genuinely great tv. it's entertaining for the downtime between better shows but it's kinda simple and there is no real feeling in it for me, apart from loving wynona.

waht

my opinion...i had to fight my way through both seasons and only when i had absolutely nothing else to watch. that's not to say it's woeful, just there's far better stuff around. everyone is pretty clichéd as a character in this show, there's barely any sense of their inner selves at all anyway, it's just a series of clashes.

i think you are the only person who likes wynona

i would straight up bone timothy olyphant because of this show

Felt that way in Season 1 (though I loved watching it, and found the entertainment aspect refreshingly well-done), but I think certain elements of Season 2 ramped it up.

xposts

xxp she's cute?