2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

bill /= hill

2008 democratic primaries rosetta stone ^^^

Clinton's approval rating never dropped below 55%

which is more than you can say for some *ahem* presidents

most of the public didn't know or care about the hit on welfare, the Telecom Act, or executing mentally retarded black men.

My parents despise(d) Clinton more than I do, and they had no clue about these things; their hate was of the irrational Limbaugh variety.

HilaryBlog:

CNN's Campbell Brown notes a 'standing ovation' in response to Hillary's closing remarks.

CNN political analyst David Gergen - Hillary's last statement 'was the most effective moment she's had on television, I believe, since the New Hampshire primary… she really scored on that.'

Politico's Ben Smith - 'Clinton's answer was a stronger performance.' "Clinton's answer was a stronger performance; Obama seems like he's about ready to get out of here."

CNN's Bill Schneider - Hillary 'just made an effective argument against John McCain.' "Clinton just made an effective argument against John McCain: Though the Arizona senator is a champion against wasteful spending, Clinton pointed to his support for the Bush tax cuts and the war in Iraq - both colossal expenditures unpopular with most Democrats."

NBC News' Chuck Todd - Hillary 'had a couple of very good moments on health care and the economy.' "Did she potentially win this debate on points; I think so; it was close but she had a couple of VERY good moments on health care and the economy that probably scored well in the various focus groups of undecided voters watching this debate."

New Republic's Michael Crowley - 'The subject of health care always brings out a formidable passion and policy fluency in Hillary.' "So much of the time politicians just seem to be going through the motions when debating the issues. But the subject of health care always brings out a formidable passion and policy fluency in Hillary. People can call her a phony for all kinds of reasons but it's clear she really gets and cares about this stuff."

ABC News' Rick Klein - Hillary 'sounds calm, in charge, deliberate.'

MyDD's Todd Beeton - 'Hillary Clinton just hit that closing response out of the park.' "Hillary Clinton just hit that closing response out of the park."

Politico's Ben Smith - 'Clinton's answer was a stronger performance.' "Clinton's answer was a stronger performance; Obama seems like he's about ready to get out of here."

this especially was o_O to me

so maybe PRESS <3's MCCAIN is officially over now?

"John McCain’s campaign plane is usually a pretty jovial place to be. […]

But in the aftermath of today’s New York Times story looking at McCain’s dealings with a Washington lobbyist, the mood is decidedly different. Before McCain boarded his plane, reporters were asked to sit farther back than usual on the plane. And when McCain finally boarded the plane, he failed to offer his usual wave at reporters and opted to quickly take his seat. During the flight, the cabin was unusually quiet, save a few quick discussions McCain had with top aides Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter. Near the end of the flight, Schmidt came back to the press cabin, where, with cameras off, he railed against the New York Times for publishing its story.

The conservative "Swift Boat" attack machinery is gearing up for Obama:

Obama may face grilling on patriotism

Nader to appear on Meet the Press tomorrow. Speculation of another third-party run is mounting:

The Nader Question

How is it that Nedra Pickler is still allowed to write articles? Seriously kids.

Yeah, Pickler's article was ridiculous. I remember the Dean people constantly in a fury over her (with good reason) in 03-04.

Did you guys happen to see Hillary on CNN SCREAMING and being totally irate about some mailers Obama sent out? "SHAME ON YOU, BARaCK OBAMA!" .. "YOU AND YOUR BIG RALLIES..." etc... it was frightenig. She came off as a desperate, angry school teacher or something.. wow. This might be her "Dean Scream" moment...

Not unless all the networks and rightwing radio shows get ahold of the clip and play it over and over and over again

She compared his "tactics" to KARL ROVE! She said he's "untested much like George W."!She challenged him to a duel in Ohio! SHE'S UNHINGED!

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/12647/thumbs/s-HILLARY-CLINTON-OBAMA-MAILER-large.jpg
"YAAAAAAAAHHHHH!"

I WOKE UP to this on CNN, so I'm a bit on edge today. *shudders*

it's gonna be an ugly week

so she goes negative by claiming he's being negative & misleading.

who does this hurt?

also lol @ hil comparing him to bush after saying that any dem comparing another dem to bush is "the most irresponsible kind of campaigning."

Enough of the speeches and the big rallies
Enough of the speeches and the big rallies
Enough of the speeches and the big rallies
Enough of the speeches and the big rallies
Enough of the speeches and the big rallies

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“This election is about misleading, false and discredited attacks that interfere with voters being able to make an informed judgment,” she said.

loooooooool

man i am never gonna hear the end of this when i get home tonight

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/02/23/hillary.speech.cnn?iref=mpvideosview

lol @ Hillary's hype man standing behind her and nodding at everything

BTW I don't think she sounds crazy or desperate or anything in this clip, but I guess Howard Dean didn't either.

Whether she's overreacting or not, who knows. I'm more bummed that Obama would allow his campaign to actually engage in this kind of shit (shifty mailers).

The mailers aren't strictly false.

The Mailers were factual, she supports NAFTA and her healthcare plan WILL force you to pay...

and she's constantly repeating the "OBAMA WANTS TO LEAVE 15 MILLION PEOPLE UNINSURED" talking point, but when he (accurately) says that she will force people to pay (which SHE ACKNOWLEDGED) she goes crazy.

and this is to random because these mailers have been around for months now

he should just bring a copy of the mailer to the debate and go through it point-by-point with her.

They don't seem that shifty to me?

She did support NAFTA. Can't speak to the health care issue.

mad xps

Well, I was just saying they're shifty in tone. They do LOOK like something a 527 might produce, rather than some official Obama campaign literature. If he's going to point out weaknesses, I'd expect him to do it in a completely upfront manner.

Hillary's Hype Man is Ted Strickland, for those tipping him as an Obama veep

i think his campaign has been using some pretty rugged mailers for a long while now. whether it's below the belt or "rovian" i dunno, i haven't seen one!

but yes, hearing that it's destroying core democratic values to attack each other on healthcare policy is, how can i say, hard to take coming from Hillary... and of course it's phrased that to attack one another over "universal" healthcare is the issue. planned outrage, i love it.

And if/when Hil drops out, you don't think he'd take the offer that O would likely make to ensure a pickup in Ohio?

xp

this is some pretty normal campaign shit (both the mailers and the "outrage" over the mailers)

any little thing happens and people are like OMG IT'S GOING NUCULARRRR

planned outrage

goes well with canned zings

ZINGS U CAN XEROX LOLOLZ

The fact that Hillary Clinton has any credibility on healthcare is beyond me.

As far as that video goes - I think her campaign has realized that a) she's just not as inspiring or compelling as Obama and b) the "experience will bring change!" argument isn't working, so their last resort is to basically call him a phony for engaging in campaign tactics that are much less slimy than many of the things that have come out of the Clinton campaign. There was a Slate video recently comparing Clinton to Tracy Flick, and it was hilariously spot-on. I don't think this new line of attack will work. It reinforces the stereotype that she's angry, petty, and grating to listen to, and people who have lost manufacturing jobs in Ohio probably don't care about Obama's campaign tactics. They're more concerned with NAFTA, healthcare, and so on - so the Obama campaign mailing was pretty smart politics.

I only see this argument appealing to people who are already in Clinton's camp and are bitter about Obama's popularity. One person I know who is a huge Clinton fan was recently remarking very spitefully, "Just look how full of himself he is! It's all going to his head, you can just tell!" No wonder her support is so much weaker than his.

xingz u can xerox

that video is kinda whoa! clinton maybe responding to the disappointment over her lack of aggressiveness in the last debate?

meanwhile according to the times shes all mellow and philosophical http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/us/politics/24mood.html

planned outrage

http://poplicks.com/images/iseman-and-maverick.jpg

ha!

"As part of that focus, Mrs. Clinton has avoided giving pep talks to her aides, because a pep talk might suggest that the campaign is heading in an irretrievable direction."

What's that line about boats against the current, borne back ceaselssly into the past?

She might as well come off as a desperate, angry schoolteacher, the media treats her like that anyway, so fuck it. I thought the mailer she has there was pretty despicable, which is why I mentioned above re: not thinking Obama was much interested in doing anything about health care. It's pretty much a dead on copy of the Harry and Louise ads in the early 90's.

no it isn't