who are you a stan of?

i have such a weird and irrational love for the "Sledge Hammer!" TV show that it upsets me that people didn't really seem to get it when it aired

i mean dont get me wrong theres an overlap with "obsessive fandom"... i dont know what i was trying to get at itt but its something about like... being unable to admit that a person/persons work has flaws; defending that person/persons output well beyond where most reasonable people would stop

Arsene Wenger.

― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:06 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol at this guy.

Pauline Kael, Bill James, Barack Obama.

i mean dont get me wrong theres an overlap with "obsessive fandom"... i dont know what i was trying to get at itt but its something about like... being unable to admit that a person/persons work has flaws; defending that person/persons output well beyond where most reasonable people would stop
this is the context in which i posted btw

i am an obsessive fan of many things, but i will defend eric bachmann based on my own personal set of standards that no one can question because they are admittedly irrational. i realized i was a stan when i began stanning, basically.

wld stan for R. Barthes and F.W Murnau if necessary.

i am an obsessive fan of many things, but i will defend eric bachmann based on my own personal set of standards that no one can question because they are admittedly irrational. i realized i was a stan when i began stanning, basically.

― Ralpharina (La Lechera), Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:55 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes exactly. being a stan involves a lot of arguments that end with you saying "YOU JUST DONT GET IT"

Pauline Kael, Bill James, Barack Obama.

― clemenza, Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:46 PM (1 hour ago)

haha these are otm

John Larroquette but I think most of ILE already know that. I'm overly critical of TV and movies that he's been in that non-stans think are great. (The John Larroquette Show> S4/S5 of Boston Soapbox)

Robert Palmer. Not much needs to be said but he needed more stans when he was alive.

I used to stan for quite a few Urban/R&B divas. The stanning of the fandom got to be far too obsessive for me, especially when it came to best album choice (Most stans are usually WRONG about their "best album") and collecting every physical maxi single in existence.

Shouldn’t MISERY have been called THE STANNED?

— Kealan Patrick Burke (@KealanBurke) April 28, 2020

nice

Interesting thread. To me, the real difference between being a stan and being a fan is that talking about something I'm a stan of makes my heart rate shoot up, like I instinctively go into fight-or-flight mode on their behalf. If I love something but can talk about it calmly and without trembling, I'm just a fan.

I'm a fan of lots of things but I guess I only really stan Rudyard Kipling, Bruce Springsteen, and Homicide, Life on the Street.

how do we deradicalise these freaks

― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 09:01 (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

You realise that the most obsessive and extreme reaction of the week is from you, right?

i am not talking about actual ilxors

read the replies if you dare

We reviewed @TaylorSwift13's new album https://t.co/w6hqBCUUIq

— Pitchfork (@pitchfork) July 27, 2020

should've been 10 but okay and it's alternative not pop/r&b pic.twitter.com/UGCWBndsGO

— nad (@cakeymakeup) July 27, 2020

They don't have a alternative label. Lana is also classified as pop/r&b

— Kaique |folklore| (@angelswiftxcx) July 27, 2020

Wow i didn't know that. Thank you!

— nad (@cakeymakeup) July 27, 2020

obvs there are people who should be old enough to engage fav artists critically but most of these people are probably 16. problem is more how warped the perception of p4k scores is, which is p4k's fault.

absolutely agree on the latter point and you won't find me defending pitchfork in all this

but really, who are these people? they operate as a sort of warped collective mind, harassing en masse, absolutely unable to view taylor swift as an ordinary human so much as a figure of absolute worship

how much does swift herself and her extremely carefully-controlled aloof persona court this? probably somewhat. but there are other stan cultures

my mind turns to pro wrestler & terrace house contestant hana kimura who was recently driven to suicide by prolonged bullying by stans

People spent decades following the Grateful Dead like unemployed carnies with sheets of acid hidden in their assholes. Superfans gonna superfan.

Deadheads never had an internet and they were surely too high to go at other people aggressively, this is not the same thing at all

This guy is more nuts than any Swifty.

You guys are crazy... I listened to a couple of songs and I really don't think this should have gotten a perfect 10 lol. I mean, if Joanna Newsom's albums didn't get a 10, this album shouldn't

— Nadav Reiss (@NadavReiss) July 27, 2020

newsom stans are a thing but they're generally a bit more easygoing and wholesome? idk itt we rank the stannages lol

There is this band the Cardiacs their fans wont shut the fuck up about them RIP and some of them even target other artists they deem milk toast and even their fans for just following the consensus, stanning is really despicable

my mind turns to pro wrestler & terrace house contestant hana kimura who was recently driven to suicide by prolonged bullying by stans

― imago, Monday, 27 July 2020 11:14 (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the black dresses situation as well

*quickly mocks up picture of ghost Tim Smith with inverted crucifix & sends to Euler's house covered in blood*

buying into the logic of conde naste brand pivots completely seems like a deeply troubling existence

Black Dresses situation aye, although they were bullied less by stans of a certain act as by stans of a certain dennis-cooper-esque subculture

There is this band the Cardiacs their fans wont shut the fuck up about them RIP and some of them even target other artists they deem milk toast and even their fans for just following the consensus, stanning is really despicable

― Joey Corona (Euler), Monday, 27 July 2020 10:22 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

also, and i am having to restrain myself here lest i come off as precisely the thing i am criticising itt, this modern 'stan' culture is defined by its rabid defence of the idol, whereas cardiacs fandom has always allowed that lots of people just don't like it and that's fine, there are even loads of self-deprecating jokes and light-hearted digs at the band. the top-rated review of 'sing to god' on RYM is a 1-star review saying 'this is like visiting 4 ugly dentists at once', a review beloved even by fans of the band. not remotely the same thing and for you to post this less than a week after my all-time musical hero has literally died well tbh i am doing well to keep my response civil

whereas cardiacs fandom has always allowed that lots of people just don't like it and that's fine

You sure about that?

did u not notice that i didn't respond to your post yesterday lol

i think the case where it erks me the most is beyonce where the media apparatus also seems similarly unable to approach her critically at this point

Lol that tweet from Pitchfork wasn't even ratio-ed.

"there are even loads of self-deprecating jokes and light-hearted digs at the band. the top-rated review of 'sing to god' on RYM is a 1-star review saying 'this is like visiting 4 ugly dentists at once', a review beloved even by fans of the band"

Sure sure...

Jill Mapes: “I reviewed folklore positively and guess what? I’ve been getting phone calls since 1 am. Stan culture is terrifying.”

do you think social media encourages people in these communities to sort of try and out do eachother, in terms of who is the most committed fan. kinda like something that might have been restricted to a group of friends in school back in the day, but is now unhealthily massive in scale

as I said RIP Cardiacs guy, but you seem to be saying that "stanning" is only a problem if the ones you consider "the other side" do it, because you want to be able to knock not only another artist's music but also their fans, as you imago are among the most obnoxious on this message board at doing, without taking any heat---you're not really looking for dialogue, you just want to do what you're accusing them of doing.

I know I'm unloading on you imago but you've made many threads unreadable over the years with your handwringing about how you don't like some popular artist but the "pitchfork industrial complex" or "mainstream rock critics" can't see the truth. it's just shitty messageboarding.

the mistake we made was to allow talk of "cancel culture" when "internet hate mobs" remained the real issue

Dan Bejar threads, right here on ILX, creep me out

i think imago's passion for cardiacs is v different from hounding writers for giving something a positive review

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JILLIAN MAPES, COME ON BBY GURL, DONT BE SHY. UN-PRIVATE YOUR ACCOUNT THIS INSTANT pic.twitter.com/e5Mt9R0AmU

— kendoll™ • #1 exile stan (@hissthesnake) July 27, 2020

I agree but the irony of imago showing up on a stan thread could hardly pass without comment.

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stanning for Stan

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where does this ludicrous thing about pitchfork being soft on/biased towards r&b come from, heard it before from metal/punk fans too, I’m assuming it’s the obvious

I could see a potential bias in terms of types of artists they typically award BNMs to (metal for instance rarely makes the cut) but that seems to be down to earnest group priorities and not some kind of sinister calculation

just checked and the last two were blood incantation (last november) and deafheaven (summer 2018). so that's pretty rough.

as I said RIP Cardiacs guy, but you seem to be saying that "stanning" is only a problem if the ones you consider "the other side" do it, because you want to be able to knock not only another artist's music but also their fans, as you imago are among the most obnoxious on this message board at doing, without taking any heat---you're not really looking for dialogue, you just want to do what you're accusing them of doing.

I know I'm unloading on you imago but you've made many threads unreadable over the years with your handwringing about how you don't like some popular artist but the "pitchfork industrial complex" or "mainstream rock critics" can't see the truth. it's just shitty messageboarding.

― Joey Corona (Euler), Monday, 27 July 2020 12:15 (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

a) this isn't about knocking an artist's music or criticising their fans, this is about orchestrated mass social media bullying campaigns

b) do i not take any heat? lol

c) to restate: one person mudslinging about the critical consensus surrounding parquet courts or julia holter, no matter how crudely (and give me some credit, i usually do it in the dedicated bitching thread nowadays) is not the same as social media harassment in the service of the stanned artist. let's use cardiacs as a comparison: when have i ever gone on social media or even ilx and attacked someone personally for not giving them a positive enough assessment?

and yeah pitchfork are fucking dreadful about metal (watch me stan metal!) but that's most critics tbf