Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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In the pub for Dave Boyle's birthday FAP tonight I saw the TV (no sound) flash up 'HEADLINES' then there was a shot of Houllier giving a press conference. I immediately thought that maybe he has resigned - and then they cut to a shot of Keegan, and I was immensely amused at the idea of him as a replacement. Turned out their top headline was about Liverpool hoping to beat Arsenal. Quiet news day, I assume.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Everton can't do F'all because they were a G14ish team that fell by the wayside at exactly the wrong moment. Liverpool had just enough kudos to be included in the G14/perception of being a big European club. I'm glad that on the other thread (EC CUP) everyone takes the anti-G14 attitude they do because remember R Madrid did not win the European Cup between the 1960's & 1998? - Who the fuck were they?
It is about money & because of that I think all our goodwill to Ranieri will disappear next season

― drum (drum), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Owen's put them ahead again! I'm off the pub.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

All gone to shit. Arsenal have scored twice and the pub said it wasn't on Sky. What sodding channel is it on?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not on anywhere as far as I know.

Pay per view maybe? It might be on in a pub here except all pubs and off licences are closed today.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

didn't you ask 'em N.

x-post

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 9 April 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I asked them and they said it was on some weird channel they didn't have. I am reduced to comparing web commentaries (left my radio walkman at home for the first time in months and I can't use the plug in one here cause our office electrical weirdness blocks out all AM reception). Soccernet's weird 'gamecast' thing attempts to show what's happening on the field but I can't make head nor tail of it.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

tail?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

As ever, eurosport.com's commentary is the most entertaining, but not the most up to date.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Can you pick up 5Live in Dublin? I can't remember. Or does Irish radio carry it?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, I have now made out the tail but the head is still eluding me.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The Eurosport guy really has it in for Carragher.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't have a radio handy, but I'm going to try and listen online now.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/teams/a/arsenal/html/live_hi.stm

radio won't work for me for some reason.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't think 5live were allowed to broadcast games on the web. It's too late now anyway - my lunch hour is over.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Crap. Henry makes it 4. What makes it worse is that he's not in my FF team cause I thought he was injured.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Shite.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Touching summary from Graham Taylor "It doesn't matter how famous the Arsenal players are, it's easy to forget they're still part of the human race, and a week like this will have been hard for them"

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh-oh.

― the beebfox, Friday, 9 April 2004 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

A-ha.

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 9 April 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Take Henry?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 April 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

listened to it and was quite hopeful at half time, still they were bound to backlash against someone, just had to be us of course didn't it, ah well. Do Newcastle still have to play them too?

Apparent;y Henry's second has to be seen to be believed "Maradonna-esque" What so a defender should have kicked his legs away as he was approaching the area?

― chris (chris), Friday, 9 April 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ron Atkinson: 'And Beckenbauer really has gambled all his eggs'. Heh heh heh. Surely there's a Ron thread lurking somewhere? If not, why not?

― Will McKenzie, Friday, 9 April 2004 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a postscript to all this Good Friday hoohah, half the reason the Pinefox revived this thread. I hope the PF was spared the sadness in Chris Waddle's voice tonight as he tabulated the Hotspur shortcomings. Carr's goal wins the tie on aggregate though. Thanks for the lend of 12th place, you can have it back next week.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 April 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris - Newcastle are at home to Arsenal on Sunday. Only one game for the Toonpies this weekend, the trip to Southampton having been put back by the UEFA Cup (commitments & speculation) to May 12th. So L'pool will be up a game in the race for 4th spot until very nearly the end of the campaign.

I was tickled by the delicious notion that Arsenal could remain unbeaten in the Premiership AND STILL NOT WIN IT. Three wins and four draws in the remaining seven - Chelsea could pip them.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 April 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"What so a defender should have kicked his legs away as he was approaching the area?"

mm or attempted waving a leg or vaguely moving towards him, that would have been good too

― prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 9 April 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed that sadness.

Fear not, I have plenty of my own.

― the bluefox, Saturday, 10 April 2004 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Football is a vale of tears.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 10 April 2004 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

it was on in hubbard's.

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 10 April 2004 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Hubbard's is a vale of tears too far.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 10 April 2004 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yours is not to reason why.

― Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 10 April 2004 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I went out straight after Owen's goal went in. I was upset when I got to the pub at 8.00 that evening to finally find out the result. I was even more upset 25 minutes and three Everton goals later.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 10 April 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"Stevie" Gerrard shouldnae have been booked yesterday.

I don't think that every failed penalty appeal should be a booking.

For this aggressive, active player to... 'collect' his first buiking of the season (!) in this way says that something went wrong.

I heard a fan (?) on R5 yesterday squalling about the heckling and banners that would force Houllier out. It was enough to make anyone back GH. It felt wrong, trés wrong.

― the liverfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree, it had me seething at the radio too, it's just not the Liverpool way (ie he should be shunted upstauirs in the close season with the minimum of fuss and yer man MON brought in forthwith)

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

There did seem to be alot of booing. But I maintain that regardless of position he has to go now. They're likely to finish the worst 4th place in years if they even do that. I think sometimes fans have a right to boo surely? How else do they express disappointment with what's been the worst season in around ten years.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

on R5 Ronan, a bloke was ranting about arranging a protest at the Newcastle game, constant booing of the whole team "getting rid of Houllier is more important than a champions league place" idiot

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the point of getting rid of Houllier before the end of the season? I don't understand - its not like you're going to get someone top class in to turn everything around in that sort of time. And any upheaval will unsettle all the players and damage the club's Champions League chances even more.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no I mean "he has to go now" as in at the end of the season he must leave, after what has happened.

That's awful though, the idea of booing the whole team from the start of a game.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, exactly waht I meant about it not being the Liverpool way, that's the sort of shenanigans you expect from White hart lane for sobbing out loud (where the cries of Pleat out are building so I hear)

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

The Spurs fans were chanting "WE WANT PLEAT OUT". Pleat said, "it is not a persoanl attack."

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)

How else do they express disappointment with what's been the worst season in around ten years.

Rednose Short Memory Syndrome in full effect. 1998-99, folks. Let's not forget 1998-99 (Christ, at one point heading into Xmas we only trailed you on goal diff - and this was in Walter Smith's shambolic first season when we couldn't score at Goodison!)

Whilst it's encouraging that Charlton, Newcastle and maybe even Villa can catch Liverpool now I refuse to believe any of those clubs can do it. I'm more concerned about the growing 34pt-club at the bottom and preventing Leeds' membership of it.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Beautiful pass by Gerrard for Owen's goal against Arsenal. You hear 'slide rule pass' mentioned all the time. That was the textbook example.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't believe Newcastle can catch Liverpool? Really?

I predicted a Top 6 finish for Villa back in August. If they actually get one I will be really fucked off about not going down the bookies. But then again I predicted Fulham to finish secon from bottom...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I hope, desire and wish but I don't *believe*.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

O, help my unbelief.

― the loyolafox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Villa are a big club: possibly they should always be top 6 Or Thereabouts.

I don't think they deserve Champions' League, though.

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Deserve? Are you trying to invoke the ire of Dave B, O roonfox?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't -- but now you mention it - bring it on!

I am the thief of ire.

― the irefox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:42 (twenty-two years ago)

All this talk about 'big clubs' is misleading. Define it how? Big stadiums full of punters? League finishes over the last five, ten, twenty years? Turnover?!

If they deserve to finish top six then they need to generate more points in the season than the team that finishes seventh. That's all it is.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Well we had some convincing wins in 98/99, and weren't so awful to watch all the time either. Scored way more goals if I remember correctly.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

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