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I agree about the extent to which Santorum is evil, but exactly what, 'as a standup comic' would you do about it given Stewart's position as a talk show host? The savage "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I HOPE YOU DIE" I might be gratifying, but just alienates the person you're talking to obviously. Some subtle attempts to point out the complete fallacy of arguments, however, might lead to Santorum coming home a few hours later and randomly thinking "hey he is right about that one thing...liberals aren't frothing idiots, hmmm" or something along those lines.

I don't think this is the type of thinking that made the Democrats lose at all. The opposite is true, every time I screamed at a Republican in the run up to the election they became 200% more firmly entrenched in their position. Not ENOUGH of this kind of debate when on then, remember how it was all personal attacks of "Kerry is a fag" or "Bush is hitler" nature?? That clearly didn't lead to a democrat victory!

― richardk (Richard K), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

Hey, Bush is a "good guy" too right? More Americans would apparently rather have a beer with him than Kerry (never mind that he "doesn't drink" now) so he must be a good guy at heart huh?

exactly. Narratives are stronger than reality. if you have this framing hardwired so deep within("bush is a good guy"), reality/facts alone("bush was misleading, bush's guys lied, bush's guy leaked CIA identity", etc) will take forever to make you change your mind.

which is why it's fun to see people continually saying that "if the rest of america just knew the facts, we wouldn't be in the situation we are now", as if all humans are completely rational and see all facts the same way.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

...might lead to Santorum coming home a few hours later and randomly thinking "hey he is right about that one thing...liberals aren't frothing idiots, hmmm" or something along those lines.

You're dreaming.

What's far more likely is that more people in the center will think "Hey, that Santorum guy wasn't so bad. He sounded pretty calm and reasonable and Jon Stewart says he's a good guy."

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

I mean, that's basically what I took away from the interview and I'm a raging commie.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

I mean, that's basically what I took away from the interview and I'm a raging commie.

-- walter kranz

OTM, I'm afraid, for me as well. I guess it was an inspiring model of how to relate to those people personally, but maybe not how to treat them on national television that has an influence.

― richardk (Richard K), Thursday, 28 July 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

I got that impression too and I still think dude is a total nutbar freak who should be drummed out of the Senate by trained chimps. So I'm kind of guessing that the people who already feel that way will still feel that way, the people who liked him sill still like him and the people in the middle will continue being in the middle (seeing as they are in the middle because they either can't make up their mind on the issues Santorum represents or they really couldn't give two shits about what Santorum says).

Of course, if poll numbers come out that say that Democrats across the country now want to lick the backs of Santorum's knees, I'll recant, but I kind of didn't see anything in that (wafer-thin) interview that was of any use to someone who was undecided on the issue (and, at this point in American politics, those seem to be the only people who count).

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 July 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Stewart acknowledges his suckiness: http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002260.html#002260

― richardk (Richard K), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

the daily show is ON FIRE tonight (first new episode since katrina hit).

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

Details pls, for those of us without tv.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

It comes on in 35 minutes up here - can't wait!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

Details pls, for those of us without tv.

jon stewart says witty things about events in the news.

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

ed harris was more on fire than js

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

though i suppose it amounts to the same thing

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

for those without tv -- the daily show tends to get torrented and seeded very quickly after airing, so check the usual sources.

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

yeah, it more than met my (by now lowered) expectations for the show. preaching to the choir, but at least it makes me feel like less of a naive idiot for being as outraged as i am.

― dl, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

i haven't watched the daily show for some time now. i think it thrives on its outrage, and it hadn't had something to get REALLY FUCKING MAD AT since the november election.

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

and besides, sometimes the choir needs a good preaching-to to get it sufficiently riled up.

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

can't wait to hear lewis black's take.

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

his plan will to be to fight the water THERE so we don't have fight the water HERE

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)

haha yeah ed helms is usually my least fave but his bit in giants stadium was genius. Yam Shortage.

― dl, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

That list of 26 disasters was genius. The day-by-day tracking of Bush's week was pretty otm too. I liked how Stewart ended it with Bush's bit about Trent Lott's house and then didn't even say anything, just gave a long disgusted look into the camera before cutting to the commercial.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

oh, wow, I hadn't even heard Bush talk about his drinking and whoring days in N'awlins

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

fight the water THERE so we don't have fight the water HERE

this particular gag has already been done brilliantly by fafblog, which i find it hard to believe the writers don't read.

i think i liked the daily show more when their news parodies were more "local TV news" parodies. it's still great stuff, though, especially the correspondents.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:33 (twenty years ago)

on a related note, check out the new ish of the Onion, if you haven't yet

― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

NEW ORLEANS—Federal Emergency Management Agency director Michael Brown, leading a detachment of 7,500 relief workers, moseyed on down to New Orleans Monday afternoon. "Well, I do declare, it's my job to see if any of these poor folks need any old thing," Brown said from his command rocker on the command post porch, adding, "Mighty hot day, ain't it?"

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

We must EAT ZUCCHINI, because we are ZUCCHINI EATERS.

Yeah, that list of disasters was priceless. TIGERS and UNICYCLISTS, NUCLEAR were my favorites.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

OK, where/when did Ed Harris vent?

I though JS's speechifying at the start was a little too straight, but the anger throughout was bracing, esp the clip of Douchebag saying "Trent Lott's gettin' a new house" and cutting directly to Stewart, who merely said "We'll be right back." Perfect.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

"Osama and Jenna sex tape" and "Voldemort" were my favorites.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

does anyone else think that jon stewart is surprisingly unfunny when he's not working after a script?

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Nope, his ad libs (esp during the celeb interviews) I've always considered his chief strength.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

maybe I've just seen him at his worst. I actually dont watch the show often.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

I agree, Stewart is pretty great with the ad libs.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

On his old show, at least 10 years ago, William Shatner had him in a love-scene clinch and JS said "You are going where no man..."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

I watched the show and it was funny, but having read this thread was kind of spoiler-not that I'm blaming y'all, you didn't force me to read it. What wasn't spoiled was JS's play on "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."

― k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

"is it lonely being a visionary?"

"no."

"why's that, because you belong to some sort of visionary club or something?"

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 September 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/306/bushaz4hh.jpg

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 8 September 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

YAM SHORTAGE

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 September 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

i just like the "Osama & Jenna" one. You can already imagine the People Magazine covers.

besides, we all know it's destined for failure; she already snubbed Batboy years ago.

― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 8 September 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha - i just noticed the RUS's!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 8 September 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

i'm quite excited that us deprived limeys will be getting the daily show later in the year (on morefour, fellow limeys), the international digest on cnn is pretty good, but i keep on forgetting about it...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 8 September 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

You can watch it on the interweb, Steve - here:

comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/most_recent/index.jhtml

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

IS there any reason why there is no G on that list?

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

It's the implied GWB.

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

heh. Never thought of that. that's pretty good.

― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

We still got 3 more years, let's not rule out the possibility of YAM SHORTAGE just yet!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Why you wanna go and make me all nervous like that, nickalicious.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure that even if we have a yam shortage, there will be plenty of sweet potatoes to go around.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

watching tonight, the fact that Brian Williams can move so effortlessly from being a smarmy little shit to being a sanctimonious voice for the voiceless in New Orleans made me respect him even less. Good interview though. That's all.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 9 September 2005 04:29 (twenty years ago)

well I was totally high when I watched that Brian Williams interview, and he did seem, well,kind of dramatic, but I thought it was affecting, really. I mean, for some reason, until that point, it hadn't really struck home how much the media were the only people bothering to cover everything down there. He seemed quietly outraged at the government. Maybe they're tired of the wool being pulled over their eyes by this administration.

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 10 September 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Hunh. Williams is actually one of my favorite Daily Show regular guests (along with Fareed Zakaria), and my reaction was very unlike tremendoid's. Although his "I don't do opinions" bit was, shall we say, packed.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

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