NAMING RIGHTS THREAD: Liverpool really won't win the Premiership 2010-2011

yet again it's time for me to lament the loaning of my motd box set to my ex's dad the week before she booted me out.

Leeds in the mid-70's, spurs in the early eighties, chelsea with osgood, some of the clips show teams that would prob be decried as super-wenger in terms of flamboyance today.

Except for employing actual murderers at centre half, obviously

I watched the famous World Cup final between England and Germany in 1966 recently, and I was actually surprised by how similar it was to the modern game. Sure, there was a bit less athleticism but it was quite recognizable (to my relatively untrained eyes).

Two pretty athletic teams there

yeah, my Dad tells a story about Alan Ball going up to Ramsey after one game and complaining that all he'd done was run up and down the pitch without seeing the ball all game. Ramsey told him if he didn't like it he didn't have to play.

Rooney's ban has been upheld. Thinking Mick McCarthy shd try and stand a bit further away from the pitchside mics otherwise he could be out for a season.

mcateer, ah'll fookin DO eUUUU

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/07/lebron-james-liverpool

lebron and andy carroll up front

Very interesting
about periods of footy.

I have watched 1981 cup final a couple of times.
It's slower etc
but Hoddle (who plays a lot on the flank I seem to recall) plays far more fine passes than people remember
(including one for Crooksy goal)
but you'd expect me to say that.

i've caught everything i can on hoddle, and as far as i can see england haven't had a player of his consistent ability since. Gazza and le tissier come closest in terms of natural gifts, maybe?

Would be interested in pov of our aged constituents on that one.

Gazza about the best. 53 caps for Hoddle. That's less than I thought.

Gascoigne above all others for me, though I was slightly too young to appreciate him fully. Since him, Rooney and Scholes, now Wilshere. Between Hoddle and Gascoigne? Not sure, it seems to have been a dark age. John Barnes never really did it for England is the received wisdom, so I guess Beardsley? Lineker is far better than he gets remembered for (if at all), but not really what you're getting at here.

Think I'll start a new thread on ILF so the Prem chat doesn't get infected with cigs, booze and lard.

wilshere and rooney?

That's not a lot of top-class international performances between a pair of names, IK

Jumping the gun with Wilshere a bit aren't we?

Nah, when someone emerges who's obviously got it, there's no point hanging about. Whether he fulfils it is another matter.

Anyway, we're not just talking about 'for England' are we? Le Tiss can't feature if we are.

Whether he fulfils it is another matter.

Well he's Arsenal so he probably won't

has the premier league published rules yet as to how far away from the camera do you have to be to swear and not get banned?

why hasn't any managers started hiring people to watch footages from every angle to get key players from opposition teams banned? if i were a manager...

would only work for utd

truth. rooney proved it

I saw Lineker play a few times and he was not better than he is remembered, he was a lot worse.

And this wasn't, I think, just a matter of being in decline (he was say 29 at the time).

Lineker was a v. gifted goal-poacher and sometimes that's all u need to be. He had a great World Cup in 86 and I think of him as heralding the dawn of something a little better than the god-awful Brian Robson years for England.

lineker scored goals like it was his job. Not much more to say about him really.

scores goals like he makes puns

i remember when they gave lineker goal of the season for some shitty tap in just cos he was moving to japan. think it was the year of that absolute belter curling counter-attack goal from dwight yorke...tho could be muddled.

agree that Lineker was goalscorer etc

but if that's all that counts then having seen him, ever, wouldn't count

you'd just have to look at the stats

the point about having seen him must involve the idea that he could have been better, or worse, than remembered, in ways not shown by excellent goal tally

then again, Mr Klata only said Lineker better than remembered, not that he'd seen him
so maybe what he meant was, people forget how many goals he scored

I don't think they do, though!!

between Hoddle and Gascoigne (if Mr Klata meant temporally, in that sentence) the best player was Chris Waddle.

Yes!

ah yeah. I was leaving waddle out as being a wing wizard, tho really he and beardsley are probably overlooked too.

Hoddle's relatively low number of caps tells you a lot about what's been wrong with English football for a long time. "Fine passes" seem like something that's come into fashion here relatively recently, and we wonder why so few players can do it.

It's cos they waste their time trying 'Hollywood balls' instead

That whole concept of "luxury players"... but then if you win the World Cup with Nobby Stiles, Jack Charlton and Alan Ball...

in 1966

"We English will play the next 50 World Cups and we'll never win one. The people in charge at the FA played football maybe 50 or 60 years ago and still think that we can win a World Cup in the same way we did in 1966."

Sir Joseph de Barton

the torresscoredforchelsea website now has a fancy 'no' font and sponsors. :(

next it'll be prawn sandwiches and wags and 50 jagerbombs.

then Abramovich overpaying massively for the url

So looks like Gary Neville is taking over Andy Gray's old job

no surprise really

Although god help us all.

How will he do during utd games, dyou think?

Anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy Gray

Would smash him in the face.

well done sky in picking the one person that seems truly detestable to listen to. also good luck having him covering liverpool matches.

would it really be too much to find someone interesting and knowledgable and not hate filled?

yes

Yeah, the first Utd - Liverpool game of his tenure should be interesting.

At least he appears to have a brain

Assume this is stopgap until he becomes Fergie's eventual successor as most annoying arsehole in football managment?

i think he'd be alright, really, but he's not very reasonable nor balanced on certain subjects that are gonna be coming up on a daily basis

I agree, the only obvious alternative is Redknapp and he can only be better than him. But then I rarely see Sky so...

Yeah i basically never watch Sky now thanks to streaming