(x-post) Offhand, I don't think he's ever passed off Spielberg hate as widespread anti-Semitism but rather anti-sensation, or something to that effect.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)
― gear (gear), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)
I want to see this, but I'm having trouble not thinking about the tv producer in Jackson who lost his job because he got duped.
― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)
I was going to say the same about Talledega Nights.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)
watch one Bruno Ali G skit.
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)
No variety, terrible pacing - a few funny moments along the way, but overall just very tedious. If it had been a DVD I would have stopped it every 30 minutes to go do something else.
Not half as funny overall as Jackass, I much prefer comedy where the ridicule is internal vs. making fun of people who are otherwise unsuspecting.
― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)
OTM, even in the same SEGMENT as the "Throw the Jew Down the Well" scene, you had Borat teaching "Kazakh" folk dances to a square dance group ("walk like a homosexual", "beat the gypsy", and so on).
Why would someone centre his longass "critique" around a scene he admittedly saw only once?
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)
---
ABE FOXMAN ON BORAT
Fresh from squashing the Tony Judt speech at the Polish Legation in New York, the Anti-Defamation League’s Abraham Foxman threw himself today into the controversy surrounding the faux-Moslem comedian Borat. Foxman expressed “profound misgivings” about the “propriety of having an Israeli-born Jew portray a Moslem in an insulting and defamatory manner.” Professing to speak as the “voice of painful experience,” Foxman spoke in anguished tones:
“The Jewish people know something about defamation through humor, whether it be in anti-Semitic cartoons or Shakespearean comedies. Defamation, however ‘skillful’ and ‘funny’ is no joke, just as racism is no joke.”
Foxman was especially uneasy with the portrayal being done by an Israeli-born Jew:
“I have been accused of being hypersensitive to ethnic slurs, but one needn’t be the head of the ADL to deplore the spectacle being made in Hollywood over a Jewish comedian who impersonates Moslems in a manner that depicts an entire people as imbeciles and bigots and wins applause for it.”
Nor was Foxman happy over the national media’s embrace of Borat’s brand of what Foxman labels, “defamatory and belittling stereotypes”:
“Even if CNN and Jon Stewart think it is funny, it isn’t funny when a blood libel is perpetrated against the entire people of Kazakhstan. And, wink-nudge, everyone knows the Kazaks are just a stand-in for Arabs in general.”
Foxman insists it was a “no-brainer to step forward,” despite the ADL’s usual prime focus on defamation of Jews:
“I asked myself, ‘suppose we had an Arab on national TV networks doing a hilariously funny impersonation of a Jew but in a derogatory manner, say as greedy or rude?’ I’d do my job and he wouldn’t be on TV very long. Indeed, with the JDL like it is, he might not be alive very long. I’d prefer it never come to that.”
For his part, Jon Stewart said, he wouldn’t hesitate to put such a Arab comedian on his show, but he doubted such an actor could “impersonate a preposterous Jew as effectively as Foxman does.”
— Max Scherz Unsinn
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)
huh?
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)
still, going to see this in about 6 hours.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)
pretty weak overall. but i bust a few guts just the same. naked wrestling was an all-time classic.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 4 November 2006 07:43 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:25 (nineteen years ago)
Considering two of the speakers were a member of Congress and a state Supreme Court justice, I'd have thought you'd be at least a little concerned over that.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:46 (nineteen years ago)
Based on the anecdotal evidence pouring in to me about long lines at the box office, sold-out screenings, and fans driving more than an hour to find a theater showing the pic, I believe Borat was standing room only inside those screenings.
this was true of the late show in Portland i attended.
also, i liked that we saw trailers for both the Reno 911 movie(FINALLY) and Casino Royale(for the Sellers connection).
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)
But the scenes at the bed and breakfast place and the one where he is fighting with his producer are as funny as things can get.
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)
This was actually my situation, FWIW -- I'd seen a couple of bits but no more. Therefore, everything felt v. fresh.
AND SPEAKING OF THE TRAILERS. Yeah, the Reno 911 and Bond ones were cool. Everything else made me want to kill.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)
But the scenes at the bed and breakfast placeI thought that sequence was dull and uncomfortable. Once you've had The Running of the Jew and the Jewchick, you've pretty much mined anti-anti-Semitic humor as far as you can.
― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)
But come on, even you were laughing so hard your stomach hurt when Borat threw the money at the cochroadches.
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)
1 BORAT: CULTURAL LEARNINGS OF AMERICA FOR MAKE BENEFIT GLORIOUS NATION OF KAZAKHSTANFox
837 theatres $9,050,000$10,812 per screen.
2 THE SANTA CLAUSE 3: THE ESCAPE CLAUSEBuena Vista
3,458 theatres $5,200,000$1,504 per screen.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)
― Jena (JenaP), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)
-- deej.. (clublonel...), November 3rd, 2006 12:36 PM. (deej..) (later) (link)
also: according to him, Kazakhstan is in Eastern Europe. UH.
― gbx (skowly), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)
― researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)
enh, if the numbers hold up, that should change w/in two weeks, unless you don't just break down and torrent the thing.
which would be lamentable, tho, since this is a prime flick for a packed movie house.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)
??
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)
also: watching frat dudes/cowboys squirm during the nude wrestling scene -- priceless
― gbx (skowly), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)
― W i l l (common_person), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)
― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Sunday, 5 November 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)
is this a joke or something? fox slashed the screens for insta-buzz and i can't imagine it going any better...
― natedey (ndeyoung), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)