Why I hate the Daily Mail, as distilled into one edition

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What I love about Hitchens is that one minute he's trying to sound calm and reasonable and the next...

When, 20 years hence, Chinese or Russian jets, with UN Sanction, are destroying RAF bases and air defences because of some last-gasp British attempt to defend what's left of our sovereignty or suppress indigenous terrorism, they will silkily point out that they got the idea from us. Don't think it can't happen...

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 10:27 (fifteen years ago)

Littlejohn's taking the piss, isn't he? We have a bloke called Andrew Bolt who's exactly the same and just plays it up to get web hits and sell books.

LI'L HORSE aka the sebastian (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 10:37 (fifteen years ago)

just read peter hitchens on ADHD. sort of agree really.

he throws away any goodwill i might have had with this towards the end:

"Many of these definitions - 'autism', 'Asperger's' and so forth, turn out to be surprisingly vague when examined, covering enormously varied types of behaviour which doctors barely understand and for which they offer no solution. And then there is the question of whether the current huge increase in 'autism' may have a physical cause. The MMR controversy (which I won't go into here, having examined it at length many times in the Mail on Sunday) is just an example of how some doctors suspect that this may be so."

ledge, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 11:59 (fifteen years ago)

Skimmed a v. interesting book called The Myth of Autism the other week. There is quite a complicated, nuanced argument to be had about the pathology (if any) of neurodiversity and its social causes, in the same way that mental illness appears to be both socialized and pathological.

Fucked if P. Hitchens is gonna give it a complicated, nuanced argument tho. But Ritalin does seem like it might well be A Bad Thing.

a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:04 (fifteen years ago)

Need to read Myth of Autism more carefully and it is not without v. contentious (read: "probably bollocks") assertions, but one of the authors has been diagnosed with Asperger's himself and it isn't yr typical "Dyslexia? More like bloody lazy" Daily Mail-esque diatribe.

a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:06 (fifteen years ago)

Found the exploration of this (amongst other things) by Plasmon on the MMR thread to be v interesting.

And Mad Travellers (about socially transient mental illness) to be equally fascinating. Won't try and replicate the arguments tho because I'd bodge it.

I lolled at the Great Saucepan (GamalielRatsey), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:51 (fifteen years ago)

Top stuff from Martin Samuel

After a week of Irish glory and glorification at Cheltenham and two very jolly days in Dublin to follow, many Englishmen would have felt the bond between our countries had become rather civilised these days.

So it came as something of a surprise to pick up the newspapers on Monday and discover what really inspired Ireland's Six Nations victory over England at the Aviva Stadium: hatred.

Andrew Trimble, the Ireland wing, let this slip, describing a rallying call from lock and most recent Lions captain Paul O'Connell prior to the game. 'I always love listening to him during England week,' Trimble said.
Andrew Trimble

'We wanted to get everything right technically, but we also wanted to use our physicality, our intensity, just a real hatred. We never get sick of beating England; that is why we enjoyed the win so much. There's a lot of history there.'

Indeed there is. Like the European Union's £73.7billion bailout for the failing Irish economy last November, that could end up costing British taxpayers in the region of £6.07bn.

Not many songs about that on Saturday, though, just the usual one about prison ships, prison walls and a terrible famine that took place 160 years ago yet is still thrown in the face of every visitor in an England shirt, as if it was cooked up in the Harlequins dressing room last Tuesday.

Maybe next time Martin Johnson visits he could give a rousing and equally relevant speech before the game based on vengeance for all the little kiddies abused by Ireland's paedophile priests.

Or is it only the English who have entries in the history books of which their modern descendants might be ashamed?

Number None, Thursday, 24 March 2011 12:06 (fifteen years ago)

proper sore losing there

you can be happy also (onimo), Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:05 (fifteen years ago)

In spite of all the practice, still the world's worst losers

Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:08 (fifteen years ago)

thanks to all the practice

kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:10 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/Pictures/web/w/a/o/martin_samuel.jpg

kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:11 (fifteen years ago)

Why are the English rugby team (i.e. not England) so bad and hated

Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:11 (fifteen years ago)

... must be an Irishman or two working for Nike... or Scottish, Welsh, French, Australian, South African, New Zealander...

Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:13 (fifteen years ago)

Disappointing that the beeb don't actually show the video, which will no doubt be required viewing for all opposition teams playing England in future. Well done Nike!

Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:16 (fifteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/KIr1b.jpg

kid 606: the nultness (nakhchivan), Thursday, 24 March 2011 13:40 (fifteen years ago)

Close thread, we're done forever:

Next, having removed my knickers — something I don’t do lightly — I lie on my side, knees to my chest.

Amanda inserts the small nozzle of the tubing. This is strange, but not painful.

Amanda sits next to the tube, massaging my abdomen as warm water is gently pumped into my body. She sits watching the contents being whooshed back out down the tube.

Primitive tribes used river water and hollow reeds to perform the first enemas
I can’t see the tube, so I watch her face intently. Occasionally, she raises an eyebrow. She agrees my abdomen is very distended. ‘You have been holding on to a lot of anger, hurt and grief in your tummy,’ she says.

I’m a vegan, so there’s none of the mucus from dairy, or bits of old rotting meat, in my intestine (meat can lodge in the colon for years, which can contribute to cancers and other illnesses), but a hint of diverticulosis: this occurs as you get older, and means pockets of gas and food get lodged as your colon loses its elasticity.

I tell Amanda I always feel things in my stomach. I think my anorexia, which I suffered from acutely in my teens and 20s and have never quite been able to shake off completely, is because I feel fear and stress in my gut, and so I starve it.

Amanda gives me a coffee enema, pouring weak organic coffee into the big cylinder above me. This feels very strange, slightly sharp. She adds electrolytes and herbs, designed to help my liver to release bile.

At the same time, she massages around my liver (on the right hand side, just under my ribs), and the ileo caecal valve, where the small intestine meets the large intestine (the enema doesn’t reach beyond this point).

‘Wow!’ she says, looking pleased, and I feel like a child on a potty. ‘But aren’t our bodies designed to look after themselves?’ I say. ‘Haven’t we existed for millions of years without expensive treatments in spas that flush out our bodies?’

James Mitchell, Monday, 28 March 2011 07:59 (fifteen years ago)

Not Safe For Breakfast

we can't rule out the supernatural no matter how much I would like to (stevie), Monday, 28 March 2011 08:01 (fifteen years ago)

wtf

Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Monday, 28 March 2011 08:06 (fifteen years ago)

Liz Jones now literally serving DM readers any old shit.

Amanda gives me a coffee enema,

While reading that I very nearly had an involuntary coffee nasal irrigation all over the keyboard.

did you notice "you spin me round" was playing in the background? (snoball), Monday, 28 March 2011 08:21 (fifteen years ago)

‘But aren’t our bodies designed to look after themselves?’ I say. ‘Haven’t we existed for millions of years without expensive treatments in spas that flush out our bodies?’

And even, at the end, she sees the inherant bullshit at the heart of all things.

Mark G, Monday, 28 March 2011 08:29 (fifteen years ago)

@You have been holding on to a lot of anger, hurt and grief in your tummy,’

Hooray, even in the midst of an investigative piece into a health treatment, Liz still manages to shoehorn in a "poor me, poor my life" reference, conveniently vocalised by the person she's with who can SEE HER PAIN!

ailsa, Monday, 28 March 2011 10:18 (fifteen years ago)

alt: You are full of shit, btw.

Mark G, Monday, 28 March 2011 10:20 (fifteen years ago)

‘But aren’t our bodies designed to look after themselves?’ I say. ‘Haven’t we existed for millions of years without expensive treatments in spas that flush out our bodies?’

This'll be the same Liz Jones who has run up thousands of pounds of debt on various treatments and potions and spa breaks and quick fixes?

ailsa, Monday, 28 March 2011 10:23 (fifteen years ago)

yeah but she existed for millions of years before that

death, taxes and (onimo), Monday, 28 March 2011 11:30 (fifteen years ago)

No wonder they had to use a coffee enema if her shit's fossilised.

did you notice "you spin me round" was playing in the background? (snoball), Monday, 28 March 2011 11:33 (fifteen years ago)

Willing to give the Mail a little credit for this story.

Stevie T, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 13:29 (fifteen years ago)

The "HaveYourSay" is priceless tho.

Mark G, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 13:31 (fifteen years ago)

Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Bathroom?

think ken c works for the mail

Romford Spring (DG), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 13:33 (fifteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/KhWui.jpg

James Mitchell, Sunday, 3 April 2011 14:40 (fifteen years ago)

You shouldn't click on this - I shouldn't have clicked on it - but I'm recording this Liz Jones piece here for posterity.

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/debate/article-1372758/Seeking-cosy-hostel-17-cats-collies--me.html

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Sunday, 3 April 2011 17:56 (fifteen years ago)

Can we have a whiparound for her?

in a wonderful balloon! (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Sunday, 3 April 2011 19:02 (fifteen years ago)

As long it involves actual cat o' nine tails.

a modest broposal (suzy), Sunday, 3 April 2011 19:23 (fifteen years ago)

PETER HITCHENS; We can protect a mob in Benghazi, so why not a little girl in Stockwell?

these are my everyday balloons (Ned Trifle II), Sunday, 3 April 2011 20:59 (fifteen years ago)

Was at my Mail-reading mother's house today and almost choked on my breakfast at that bit of solid Liz Jones gold.

ailsa, Sunday, 3 April 2011 23:59 (fifteen years ago)

Fuck

You Say Various Things (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 4 April 2011 12:29 (fifteen years ago)

Ha, lucky you :)

not_goodwin, Monday, 4 April 2011 12:30 (fifteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/VTLvz.jpg

they really do the crappiest graphics ever

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 11:21 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1373743/Martin-Samuel-Were-Manchester-United-want---dont.html

350lb livestock rapist marty samuel continues his strange vendetta against minority interst irish sports

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 02:59 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1373849/Nick-Cleggs-Social-Mobility-Strategy-Privilege-guilt-betrayal-poor.html

Weird take on social mobility: they swipe at Clegg's "internship in daddy’s bank" and in the same article assert that parents are the "most effective engine of social mobility" so we mustn't stop parents trying to help their children up the ladder.

Alba, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 08:58 (fifteen years ago)

Richard Attenborough loved making historically fatuous films such as Gandhi, which depicted British imperialists in India as murderous monsters.
We might suggest, in defence of Blair and Attenborough, that they do not know any better. They learned little history at school, and have spent most of their lives in the company of people who, though British, do not think much of Britain.

But Cameron attended what is probably the best school in the world, Eton, and is a highly educated man. He is also a Tory — indeed, leader of the Conservative Party. Thus, it does not seem too much to hope that he knows something of Britain’s past, and takes pride in it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1374257/David-Cameron-compelled-knock-Britain-abroad.html

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 7 April 2011 16:42 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1374256/David-Cameron-Pakistan-Why-does-PM-talk-Britain-down.html

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 7 April 2011 16:50 (fifteen years ago)

But Cameron attended what is probably the best school in the world, Eton, and is a highly educated man.

Blair and Attenborough not highly educated, can't be, didn't go to Eton (or Charterhouse like Max)

Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 April 2011 16:55 (fifteen years ago)

not good enough schools for him and his standards

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 7 April 2011 16:57 (fifteen years ago)

Haven't the Tories worked out by now that Caneron will say anything to anyone, he's a PR man

Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 April 2011 16:57 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1373872/We-Tory-PM--Lefties-luvvies-run-Britain.html

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:13 (fifteen years ago)

Chris Jagger, we would like you to be clear that your life is of very low quality

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1378325/Rolling-Stone-Mick-Jagger-fills-arenas-brother-Chris-cans-sell-village-hall.html

Alba, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 08:58 (fifteen years ago)

okay the guy lives in a renovated farm house in a gorgeous part of england, has two jobs, and plays music and has even released an album.

sounds like he's doing okay to me

if you wanna gamble, take that shit to vegas (Ste), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 09:08 (fifteen years ago)

having two jobs isn't my idea of a good time

standing on the shoulders of pissants (ledge), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 09:55 (fifteen years ago)

yeah sort of otm, having two jobs isn't like having two cars!

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 10:05 (fifteen years ago)

unless you're a funeral director and a clown

ridic beau (NickB), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 10:15 (fifteen years ago)


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