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― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)
― everything, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)
[geek bit]It's especially amazing they got papers out when you realise that they were working with Quark 1 on SE/30s. 30mins for a mono page to EPS.
― stet (stet), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)
― everything, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)
I can't believe no-one's mentioned Billy Sloan.
My old flatmates once had a totally made up story in the centre pages of the Sunday Post. I will recount later, but I have to leave NOW to get to the Lansdowne in time for the Celtic game (I may be pushing it a bit)
― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)
But this is "things and people that I like"...
Never met the guy, so I don't have anything against him personally, but he does champion some rubbish. Still, his bits on Scotland Today have produced some moments of comedy gold. "He's not a rapper, he's a singer, but I think this will go down well with the young people." On Ian Wright's short lived pop career.
― Stew (stew s), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)
― dahlin (dahlin), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)
!!!
see, i'm not really named after the damned song: dr grimly-fiendish was actually a character in a children's book called "the founding of evil hold school", by one nokolai tolstoy. and when i started posting to ILX, i'd just been rearranging my bookshelves and found it and ... well, it seemed like a good idea at the time.
but i've just dug the book out and i see it's dated 1968. which means baxendale got there first. wow. top work, old cartoon fella.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/g/grimfien.jpg
the likeness is uncanny.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)
FFS. it's been a long day. nikolai.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)
― dahlin (dahlin), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)
― KeefW (kmw), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)
Excellent.
― It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)
― club soda (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)
― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)
― leigh (leigh), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:12 (twenty years ago)
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)
It's a wonderful truism - "Scotland is beautiful". Unfortunately, most people who end up spouting this venture no further at the weekend than Braehead or The Gyle and ultimately view their escape from the city via the airport rather than the A82 or M90.
Not that this should hamper their enjoyment of the cities. There is only one way to view Glasgow, for example, and that is with your neck craned upwards. Everything exciting about Glasgow happens above head height, with statues and columns adorning otherwise functional buildings (the street level parts of which have been turned into an All Bar One, with work girls thinking they're class as they drink bacardi breezers), which is presumably why you so frequently come across people lying on their backs in the town centre. Don't worry, you can step over them without spoiling what they can see.
Glasgow appears to have been designed by the same architects as the big American cities with bold lines, classical architecture and a distinctive grid system. Edinburgh, on the other hand, appears to have been designed by a deranged jaikie, woken from his slumbers and given 20 minutes to get it finished on the back of a bookies' line.
Once they got bored with streets, or something happened to them, Edinburgh just built new streets on top. As a result, you get things like the Cowgate passing majestically underneath The Bridges looking more like a paved over canal than a road, but betrayed by the likes of Bannermans - a cellar bar, but one that finally turned out to be about 20 storeys below the final floor of the buildings that eventually ended up on top of them. There are lots of lovely buildings, but none of them sit together properly and look like they're the emptied out pockets of some celestial city planner built where they fell.
Once you get out of them though...
Blah blah mountains blah blah heather blah blah. Leave that to Muriel Grey. (Nice though they are)
The joys are in little things. Driving through some of the most beautiful scenery, which changes coast by coast from rolling hills to precipitous cliffs. The tearooms at Luss. Garelochhead. The bridge over the Atlantic. The Art Deco frontage of Oban hotels. Mull and Iona. Drinking heavily in Fort William, under the shadow of Ben Nevis, and wandering along to the Highland Museum. Inverness and its utterly pointless castle. The mist sweeping over Culloden. The visitor centre at the Baxters factory. Gamrie Bay. Pennan, possibly the most lovely town in Scotland. The wind piling through Aberdeen, and trying to stand up in the gales on the promenade. Eating a fish supper in front of the lightship at Anstruther then walking round the fisheries museum. The bottle dungeon in St Andrews. The Queen Elizabeth forests and David Marshall Lodge. The sun setting and hour before it rises in the summer. The sun rising an hour before it sets in the winter.
There are a million reasons, and it seems foolish merely to list them. So there has to be something personal, and for me it's The Glen. Pittencrieff Park in Dunfermline.
Bounded on one side by the Abbey (resting place of at least part of Robert The Bruce, and his official memorial burial site) and the ruined monastery, Pittencrieff Park was once the estate of the Laird of Pittencrieff, until following his death it was bought by Andrew Carnegie and turned over to the people of Dunfermline - reputedly as payback for not being allowed to play in it as a child. I remember it mostly as where Fife primary schools congregated for a joint day out towards the end of term in the 1970s, acres and acres of space for kids to run in and two large paddling pools, but it's so much more in retrospect. It has a much greater scope than similar parks, with an Italian garden, a hothouse, an animal enclosure with birdhouse and aquarium, a tearooms with bandstand... the Andrew Carnegie museum is there now too, and it features Malcom Canmore's Tower which purports to be the home of Malcom III following his glorious return from the murder of Macbeth and the restoration of the throne to his lineage.
Like everywhere else, it's now full of school neds getting pished. But it's still the best place in Scotland.
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)
― leigh (leigh), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)
― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)
Though he did study at Carnegie.
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)
(Also - the Scots invented Freemasonry. Therefore, they invented conspiracy theories!)
― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)
Andrew Carnegie returned to Dunfermline later in life (around the turn of the century) for several years. (He was about 14 when he left, I think)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)
The Glen in Dunfermline is rather nice, though.
The nicest view in all of Scottish scenery is on the road connecting Harris to Lewis, as you come over the pass between the two islands* and see Lewis and the glen of Loch Seaforth.
* for people unaware of Scottish geography: although Lewis and Harris are separate islands, they are a single landmass. The islands are separated by mountains, not water.
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)
― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:54 (twenty years ago)
*Not strictly true, it's actually on East Port, but these are good enough directions for visitors.
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)
― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:03 (twenty years ago)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)
― dahlin (dahlin), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)
― Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)
Yes, but instead of voodoo they have the Wee Frees.
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)
(*Tims**)(**Catholics)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)
― dahlin (dahlin), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)
― Greig (treefell), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)
― When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a moray! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)
Fitba:
If there's dominating factor in the Scottish persona, it's probably the love of football. (Apart from those who don't, but they're poofs and we don't talk about them) But let's get one thing out of the way - SCOTTISH FOOTBALL IS PISH.
The heyday of Scottish football was probably right at the very beginning. A Scottish club (Renton, who became Alexandria, who became Dumbarton) won the first ever world competition. Lord Roseberry's XI, in their pink and orange stripes, invented international football. Scotland used to regularly spank England, often by 5 goals.
Let's just look at the Lord Roseberry kit again.
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You wouldn't see them wearing something like that these days.
Somewhere down the line, however, it all went wrong. In the 50s, Hibs were the first British club to play in a European competition, having introduced European football to Britain in the first place, and held the World Cup winning Hungary side to a goalless draw in their national stadium. They were invited to tour South America, and the 'Famous Five' became the inspiration for the great Brazil side of the 70s. This continued into the 60s, as they beat Manchester United, Barcelona and Real Madrid, and put 5 past Napoli. Celtic were no slouches in this period either, becoming the first British side to win the European Cup, and Rangers followed suit with the Cup Winner's Cup. Scotland humiliated the World Cup holders of England, a match that featured a fist fight at half time between Baxter and Law about which was a more humiliating sight - a load of goals or playing keepie-uppie in front of them. There was a brief renaissance in the 80s as Aberdeen and Dundee United proved they were the equal of... erm... Nottingham Forest... but that was pretty much it. No longer were the English leagues full of Scotsmen being overpaid, and Scotland could no longer look at England as a wee team who you normally beat.
So what went wrong? Personally, I think the loss of heavy industry is a major part. Where are all the players at lunchtimes with rags bound in dockyard tape? Working in call centres and playing five a side in a gym hall once a week. Kids don't go out as much any more and estates don't have big enough spaces to build a pitch on. Perhaps more crucially, it's very expensive to take kids to the match now.
Plus, of course, it's frequently excruciating to watch. I remember a Hearts/Motherwell game a couple of seasons ago, the highlights of which were one (count it) off-target shot. That was it. The lower divisions are worse, often living up entirely to "22 grown men chasing an inflated bladder around" except that not all of them can be arsed so only about 5 actually chase it. The rest might as well be sitting in front of the telly with 20 fags instead of playing. As Taggart once said, "You think this is murder? You've never been to Firhill." I remember being inducted at an early age by watching Dunfermline play at East Stirling. I don't remember much more than my pie and sitting on railway sleepers in the red ash, but that was enough. It was the start of 30 years of misery.
The highlights, however, have always been the players. Jim Baxter, whose legendary mazy runs may have been due to the amount of booze he had consumed. Jimmy Johnstone, getting lost in a rowing boat. Denis Law, a fox sucking a lemon. The 1978 World Cup squad not letting football get in the way of getting pished on holiday.
But there must be a favourite, and mine is Charles 'Chic' Charnley. Chic is a man's man. Sent off more than any other player in football history, Chic could have been one of the greats and even Franz Beckenbauer said as much. But... eh... Chic liked the drink a wee bit. And the pies. And the fighting in the park with samurai swords. And all the rest of it. Capable of genius on the park, but just as capable of throwing up on your shoes on a Saturday night, Chic was one of us and that's why I love him.
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)