No second term as SOS or presidential run
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/16/clinton-running-for-president/
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 17 March 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm a bit surprised about no run for the nomination. Whatever happens in 2012, I thought she'd be in good position for '16. She'd be 69, same age as that old guy who won. I know a lot of people love her no matter what, and a lot of other people hate her no matter what, but I think I'm fairly representative of people who couldn't stand her through the '08 campaign but who've come around since then. (If she had run, I probably could have learned to not-stand-her all over again.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
part of the problem
― Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Me or Hillary? Let me guess--both.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
no; like me, you don't matter!
― Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
All right--pressure's off!
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
do you think hillary would get significant support from former obama supporters who now think she'd have made a better president in the first place? (subquestion - does anyone think she would have?)
― lex pretend, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I think she would have ended up almost exactly like Obama tbh; they were always more similar than they were different.
― ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I think she would have got a fair amount of support from Obama '08 supporters because of the way she's conducted herself since she lost. (The three or four weeks where she slowly came to terms with having lost were surreal--remember them well.) If I explain any further, Morbius and other people will jump on, and this'll become another ridicule-Obama thread.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I have no idea what kind of country will have left Obama's successor in 2012 (if he loses), let alone 2016, but I'm pretty sure I don't want HRC leading it.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
*Obama will have left his successor
*jumps on clemenza*
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
in 2016 it will be called President of Thunderdome btw
― Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
she will run in '16
― in my world of suggest bans (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
she will be 69 in 2016
― buzza, Thursday, 17 March 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
will she still be "making change"?
― Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 March 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
The former U.S. secretary of state begins her Twitter bio with "Wife, mom."
― Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Monday, 10 June 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/clintons-reliably-bad-foreign-policy/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:35 (eight years ago) link
Well that's very kind, but I am doing what I want to do right now and I have no intention or any idea even of running again - 2011
reliably bad liar
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:53 (eight years ago) link
Hillary Clinton: is the Co*rtney L*ve of democratic reform politics. Except IT TAKES A VILLAGE is crap, and PRETTY ON THE INSIDE isn't.
― mark s, Wednesday, July 4, 2001 8:00 PM (14 years ago)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JYEe9GZbEVY/VvYaJnQLcsI/AAAAAAADCAg/wr3x9KLtTzs/s640/blogger-image--825882656.jpg
― Mordy, Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:57 (eight years ago) link
throngs of well-wishers begged her to run again and she stoically agreed to once again mount the rostrum and humbly offer her leadership to the nation -- this has been the storyline ever since George Washington
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 14 April 2016 19:58 (eight years ago) link
fb friend (lefty, as in just left his Dem Party registration for indie):
"The most pertinent fact likely to be overlooked in this extraordinarily troubling report is the following: neither the Secretary nor her top aides consented to be interviewed by the Inspector General of the very department of government they had been entrusted with running."
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 19:09 (eight years ago) link
A terrible attack on the only person that can possibly prevent the biggest threat to humanity since.....whatever the last thing was in american politics twonk circles
― Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link
Nixon fans loved to say "They all did it."
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link
The election thread is like a convention of mob lawyers this afternoon :)
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:31 (eight years ago) link
each party has its lemmings. it's a beautiful thing.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:32 (eight years ago) link
Oh its like a lemmin party alright
― Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 20:36 (eight years ago) link
dr morbius sounding a lot like the sort of person who lives by the movie 'fight club'
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 21:52 (eight years ago) link
When life hands you lemmings, make lemmingaid.
― putting the laughter in manslaughter (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 May 2016 11:29 (eight years ago) link
omg deems
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 26 May 2016 11:30 (eight years ago) link
What do folks make of the Clinton Foundation stuff, and is there anything especially good to read on it? It continues to smell fishy to me even where many of their other "scandals" don't.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 11 August 2016 14:53 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8oAQOvOEXY
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 August 2016 14:56 (seven years ago) link
Is that a redaction or the monolith from 2001 (or are you just happy to see me)?
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 11 August 2016 15:04 (seven years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-governments-gave-millions-to-foundation-while-clinton-was-at-state-dept/2015/02/25/31937c1e-bc3f-11e4-8668-4e7ba8439ca6_story.html
maybe?
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 August 2016 15:08 (seven years ago) link
https://www.byline.com/project/27/article/520
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 August 2016 15:10 (seven years ago) link
This is a decent overview of some of it:
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
Doesn't really cover the big pharma / oil industry / uranium mining elements, though.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 11 August 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link
also worth looking at this imo http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/
since that byline.com article repeats a lot of the more fallacious arguments that factcheck parses
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 August 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link
eg
We spoke by phone with Sandra Minuitti at Charity Navigator, and she told us Charity Navigator decided not to rate the Clinton Foundation because the foundation spun off some entities (chiefly the Health Access Initiative) and then later brought some, like the Clinton Global Initiative, back into the fold. Charity Navigator looks at a charity’s performance over time, she said, and those spin-offs could result in a skewed picture using its analysis model. If the foundation maintains its current structure for several years, she said, Charity Navigator will be able to rate it again.The decision to withhold a rating had nothing to do with concerns about the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work. Further, Minuitti said citing only the 6 percent of the budget spent on grants as the sum total spent on charity by the foundation — as Willis and Fiorina did — is inaccurate.She referred us to page 10 of the 2013 990 form for the Clinton Foundation. When considering the amount spent on “charitable work,” she said, one would look not just at the amount in grants given to other charities, but all of the expenses in Column B for program services. That comes to 80.6 percent of spending. (The higher 89 percent figure we cited earlier comes from a CharityWatch analysis of the Clinton Foundation and its affiliates.)
The decision to withhold a rating had nothing to do with concerns about the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work. Further, Minuitti said citing only the 6 percent of the budget spent on grants as the sum total spent on charity by the foundation — as Willis and Fiorina did — is inaccurate.
She referred us to page 10 of the 2013 990 form for the Clinton Foundation. When considering the amount spent on “charitable work,” she said, one would look not just at the amount in grants given to other charities, but all of the expenses in Column B for program services. That comes to 80.6 percent of spending. (The higher 89 percent figure we cited earlier comes from a CharityWatch analysis of the Clinton Foundation and its affiliates.)
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 August 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
How they're spending it is less of a problem than how they're getting it.
The most charitable interpretation is that US political-arms nexus is such a moral cesspit that the decision to sell cluster munitions to the people supplying al-Qaeda, etc, would have happened anyway. There was no undue influence brought to bear because there were no contrary opinions for the money to sway. Donors weren't buying privileged access to lobby Clinton, they were buying privileged access to lobby each other.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 11 August 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
also it's been a while since i checked into this but state is just one group of a few that discuss + approve arms deals. not saying that means that they couldn't have been trying to buy influence with state by donating to the foundation but that if they were it wasn't sufficient. they have to consult w/ sec of defense, all arms deals get approved by congress, etc. and also iirc the link between donations and arms sales were mostly bogus? like some countries that donated funds got reductions in arms sales (like jamaica and ireland). it could be there was some v soft influence peddling but it def wasn't sufficient + it seems to like SV says assume that they wouldn't have made those sales anyway. which we had done before clinton and continued to do after clinton.
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 August 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link
it seems silly to me bc of what SV says - they would have made those sales anyway* - sorry, syntax got weird there
― Mordy, Thursday, 11 August 2016 15:48 (seven years ago) link
Like many things with the Clintons, it seems hard to believe that there's is an explicit, 1:1 quid pro quo here, but it's also hard to believe that there isn't a lot of influence peddling and enriching the circle of cronies going on with the foundation and the global initiative.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 11 August 2016 16:48 (seven years ago) link
Something weird is happening with YouTube embeds on here this week
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 11 August 2016 22:11 (seven years ago) link
god thank you i thought it was just me
― Yes it has pickles and chicken...but...it doesn't have mild cheese... (stevie), Friday, 12 August 2016 07:59 (seven years ago) link
everything has turned into a quarter of a black flag tattoo ime
"Donald Trump says America doesn't win anymore... Well, tell that to THE CAVALIERS!"
I guess she dint kno other team from Murrica too
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 August 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
srsly, just GO THE FUCK AWAY, NOW.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 19:36 (seven years ago) link
did she kill someone again?
― scott seward, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 19:40 (seven years ago) link
she gave an interview: "I accept total responsibility for my loss, and here's whose fault it was..."
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
eye on the prize, Morbz
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
I got no problem with AOC or Ilhan Omar going after the Bernie base in 2024. They know how to go on the offensive.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:29 (two years ago) link
frogbs otm
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:38 (two years ago) link
xp Omar can’t run for President.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:40 (two years ago) link
too bad. and I'm not sure if AOC is 35 y.o. in 2024.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:48 (two years ago) link
The GOP was better at recognizing AOC's political talent than the dems were. You can tell by how hard they went after her (admittedly also part of a strategy to paint the dems as far left)
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 14 January 2022 23:02 (two years ago) link
Also helps that AOC is attractive and has this sort of celebrity aura about her. I think this was a big part of Obama's appeal too. When the 2020 Dem debates were happening when it was just Bernie and Biden a lot of people commented on the optics of that, like how can you get excited about two old men shouting at each other? Who's looking at that and saying "yes, these are my people"? AOC very much seems like the sort of person who can win people over. She's very articulate and has a way of speaking that is very unlike typical Dem politicians.
― frogbs, Friday, 14 January 2022 23:19 (two years ago) link
. When the 2020 Dem debates were happening when it was just Bernie and Biden a lot of people commented on the optics of that, like how can you get excited about two old men shouting at each other? Who's looking at that and saying "yes, these are my people"?
dogg, who do you think votes?
― jpg trouble in wallo gina (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 14 January 2022 23:22 (two years ago) link
Like, for Democrats specifically?
― frogbs, Friday, 14 January 2022 23:25 (two years ago) link
Whats the odds of clinton running again
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 January 2022 00:19 (two years ago) link
That may be, but she was the party's nominee. The Bernie voters who stayed home in the general can go fuck themselves, since they fucked the rest of us.
― jimbeaux, Friday, January 14, 2022 1:34 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
it’s adorable to me that we still have dopey posters like this what with our membership drought, can’t wait to see what’s next for this guy
― auld gang syne (k3vin k.), Saturday, 15 January 2022 00:57 (two years ago) link
Mimbeauxship drought
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 January 2022 01:00 (two years ago) link
listened to the le tigre song and now I finally understand why trump won
― symsymsym, Saturday, 15 January 2022 02:30 (two years ago) link
I think AOC turns 35 the month before the 2015 election
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:04 (two years ago) link
Uh, the 2014 one i mean
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:05 (two years ago) link
Or perhaps 2024
we could do a poll
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:56 (two years ago) link
I never want to look at a poll involving Hillary Clinton again
― frogbs, Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:58 (two years ago) link
this is not my beautiful subtweet
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 January 2022 07:04 (two years ago) link
Yow, Hillary unloads on Bernie in @alivitali’s new book pic.twitter.com/G7HJL8fLYS— Bill Scher (@billscher) August 12, 2022
― President Keyes, Friday, 12 August 2022 14:31 (one year ago) link
omg who cares about this anymore
― treeship., Friday, 12 August 2022 14:51 (one year ago) link
If you lost an election to Donald Trump would you ever be able to let it go?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 12 August 2022 22:32 (one year ago) link
lmao
― k3vin k., Saturday, 27 August 2022 23:15 (one year ago) link
i would vote for warren again tbh
― sarahell, Saturday, 27 August 2022 23:51 (one year ago) link
I’d vote for bernie again!
― k3vin k., Saturday, 27 August 2022 23:58 (one year ago) link
Can a mod plz change the thread title to "Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud or Completely Irrelevant?"
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 28 August 2022 03:20 (one year ago) link
what was this revive about
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 29 August 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link
I assumed it was about losing a legal trivia game to Kim Kardashian.
― peace, man, Monday, 29 August 2022 16:39 (one year ago) link
I find hillary clinton very attractive, and would like to spend "quality time" w/her. Thus "classic"xoxo
― /<-R4/>-31337, Thursday, July 5, 2001
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 August 2022 17:36 (one year ago) link
nuvvieworld
― peace, man, Monday, 29 August 2022 17:57 (one year ago) link
75 today. (Which I know because I looked up someone to talk about with a 4/5 class for Today in History.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 13:46 (one year ago) link