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From an objective point of view, it still seems that not every thread should be locked but it's not quite as crystal clear. I guess I can understand the tendency to just give up and react or want to do anything to shut him down.

Indeed. Upthread I said that locking all Calum threads isn't fair and isn't productive, and I do think that, but when the time comes for the Final Confrontation I'll still lace up my boots in Ned's camp.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

man I could fight the Vice wars all day, 'cause I always win

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, let's fight the Vice wars again!

Nah. Instead I think we should reduce something to an overly simplistic binary and then argue about its two poles even though they've left out a great deal of the original pre-binary-reduction concept.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank ya, Martin, though it's not 'my' camp as it is the mods' in general -- and this is actually why I'm glad Dan and Tombot are working on revising/making clear the FAQ and policies. As noted, I'm not the only one who has locked threads by him, though certainly I'm one of the more persistent.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

We're trying to turn Japanese kids on to Pat Buchanan, it's great!

That will not be difficult considering the Japanese isolationist tendency.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

btw Ned rocks.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

You get the moral victory, J0hn, but I screw real actual money out of the repugnant Republican bastards. Of course, I take it all to a small island in the Hebrides and burn it.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, I meant "Ned's camp" as in "the camp where Ned is" rather than "the camp Ned commands."

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

But according to Momus I'm only a mod in order to exercise power!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought you meant "Ned is camp".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Well that went without saying.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, you get paid by them for helping disseminate their racist, sexist crap. Congratulations on helping privileged white kids feel better about hurting others' feelings by using the word "nigger" and feeling transgressive about it.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought he was arguing that you were only a Moderator because Calum is a Troll (because you are a Moderator because...)

xpost Dan I seriously considered making that comment, but I decided that there's no place for humor in such a serious discussion.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.haywired.com/lovesusan3/tvwork/amc4.jpg

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 18 June 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Help, a Rockist!

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

it's not rockist surgery.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

When I didn't have power for a week, I read most of the Vice Guide To Sex, Drugs & Rock'n'Roll. I was surprised to find a few really great things - the ex-junkie blaming himself for the death of people he introduced to heroin, for instance - mixed in among the usual crap.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

hope you didn't pay for it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah they do have the occasional winner amidst all the just-discovered-Henry-Miller stuff

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah but I still hope milo didn't pay for it. All that shit was free in the magazine.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never seen a racial epithet used offensively in Vice, J0hn, but then I've never found Calum's views on women particularly shocking either, so maybe I'm just odd.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

$5 at Virgin Megastore. (It was down to a choice between Matos' Prince book, the 33 1/3 VU book or this one, and it was larger)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Vice is available anywhere in Dallas.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

online.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

You got me there. But at the time I had no electricity.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

ha! but you got me there. Also, A.O. Scott is white.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.eblox.com/lechner/hygene.jpg

― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

A usage from the current issue which I consider no more offensive than your usage upthread, f'rinstance, J0hn:

'I once heard a horrible, horrible man (my biological dad) say, "An Irishman is just a nigger turned inside out." Though that quote is wrong for a plethora of reasons, it can be effectively used to describe punks, who are essentially frat boys turned inside out.'

http://www.viceland.com/issues/v11n5/htdocs/frats.php

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

re: the question way up there about the tweeness of Pieces of April - no soundtrack on Earth could have made that film less twee. Pseudo-punky teen star! Interracial couple that's accepted by everyone after hints at things being otherwise! Boyfriend looking like he's doing something shady, really buying a used suit! Reuniting with a disliked mother who's dying of cancer! Thanksgiving dinner with someone from every conceivable ethnic group in New York City!

(still an enjoyable movie)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, that quote is a horseshit piece of writing.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not too late.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 18 June 2004 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

No Dan it's transgressive, 'cos they say "nigger"!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

J0hn: 2
Vice: 1

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

What is Vice magazine? I don't read mags that are likely offend me.

― C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, that quote is a horseshit piece of writing.

B-B-But the author used the word "plethora!"

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"Would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?"

― St. Nicholas Ridiculous (Nick A.), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

It's horseshit because the writer's using the form of the original quote in a manner that implies that "Irishman", "nigger", "frat boy" and "punk" are all equivalent, plus the writer is trying to have his/her cake and eat it too with this "This concept is so wrong and horrible that I disagree with it, yet I'm going to use it as a thesis metaphor" construct.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

My big issue has little to do with the offensiveness of te word "nigger" and much to do with the apparent inability to be internally coherent.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

But Dan! "PLETHORA!" That's some educated writin' right there.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

if this thread culminates in a re-telling of the time Dan kicked that guy's ass in high school, then I will consider it a success

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I also have an issue when I make a typo in a post criticizing someone else's writing. Grr.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I was giving a friend tips about how to write for Vice yesterday. I would hold this up as a good, attention grabbing intro. The line about 'a horrible, horrible man (my biological father)' is funny.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

another bad metaphor!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG multiple cross-post!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

it wasn't interesting this time Ned :|

I learned a new emoticon from this thread. It's a success!

is that the "bored" or "generally blase" or "ennui" emoticon?

I enjoyed Pieces of April....i give it this emoticon : )

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i like it better in italics too because it makes his eyes look crooked...more perplexed.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see how it's internally inconsistent, Dan. The writer says the 'horrible horrible man' (his dad) was saying that Irish people were no better than black people (ie he was prejudiced, but just as prejudiced against the white poor as the black poor), and this writer is using the metaphor to say that punks are no better than fratboys.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

'horrible, horrible man' = "i'm not a racist but..." i.e. I am about to say something racist and wish to cover my ass.

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Studs McFuckface, the author of the text, is clearly Gavin McInnes, Vice's 'controversial' publisher. He ends with a piece of libertarian Canadian Ameri-critique: since they're pretty much indistinguishable, the division between punks and frats must be divide and rule on the part of the powers that be.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Because the author is condemming the metaphor while at the same time throwing it at two other groups of people. That's the inconsistency.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

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