a 30 for 30 thread

we talked a lot about it in the rolling bball thread

p much from here on down they reminisce over yao -- 2010/2011 regular season second half thread

yea this was v good, <3 jalen

Grant Hill is pretty great:

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/grant-hills-response-to-jalen-rose/?ref=sports

i understand the need for a response, but i thought the doc made it very clear that they were describing how they perceived duke and hill at the time--and yeah it was ugly and wrong, but jalen especially was upfront about how it came from his own resentment.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

wow eloquent as hell

haha grant hill talking about how duke players totally aren't uncle toms and lists Tommy Amaker in his defense

That's a pretty serious thing to say. Why, because he coaches Harvard?

it wasnt a serious thing to say, it was a joke

grant hill thing is worth it for the kicker

Fab Five couldnt hold a candle to UNLV for early '90s baddassness.

my god the dupree one was so good, definitely in the top five
the whole thing was worth it for the moment where marcus watches his high school self with this mix of awe and sadness and wonder and confusion and it's all right there on his face.

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saw the Dupree one last night...jesus what a talent...yeah that part you mentioned was really heartbreaking but sweet at the same time.

the thing that really got me, that just showed how some of these kids have such a small worldview and are thrown into these high pressure situations..it's like when he finally decides to listen to his mom and friends and ask for something from oklahoma, all he can think to ask for with all that money being thrown around is a double wide trailer in mississippi

really looking forward to the long discussed bartman.
Fab five was good, but without webber felt incomplete. That dude is NEVER gonna talk on this, is he.

well in hindsight it looks like weber might have been smart to stay out of it!

i didn't know they were doing a bartman one! crazy.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/03/chicago-cubs-fan-steve-bartman-catching-hell-again-at-tribeca-festival/1

Cant wait to see the Bartman one.

I will stop what I'm doing and watch that Marcus Dupree one every time I see it's on. Just saw it the fourth time and it's still just as good as the first time I saw it.

yea i got caught up in it again for a while too

just watched the smu one for the first time. college football as a system is so fucked up and fascinating. it was briefly touched on in the documentary how the whole paying kids to play thing isn't partic clear-cut morally: the players come from poor families and college football generates tons of money. i don't really know anything about it, so i'm sure this is a total noob question, but what if they just starting paying the players legitimately? i guess it fucks with the whole college is supposed to be about education thing, but i doubt those players are getting great educations under the status quo.

there's litigation underway right now to do just that but the ncaa is a goliath
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-and-march-madness/ncaa-lawsuit/

thank you! do you guys have *thoughts* about this lawsuit or compensation for student athletes more generally?

all student athletes should be paid a flat fee across the board with a structured bonus schedule for personal and team achievements. doesn't have to be a ton of cash but players should absolutely receive compensation and better players should receive better compensation. It can be regulated by the NCAA and flat across the board so big colleges don't get a leg up. But that would harpoon colleges that are already paying their players and would screw up some legacies so

the new batch of docs

Tuesday, Sept. 27, 8 p.m. – Catching Hell (Alex Gibney/Gary Cohen) *120 minutes
Tuesday, Oct. 4, 8 p.m. – Renée (Eric Drath) *90 minutes
Tuesday, Oct. 11, 8 pm. – The Dotted Line (Morgan Spurlock/Jeremy Chilnick)
Tuesday, Oct. 18, 8 p.m. – Unguarded (Jonathan Hock/Philip Aromando)
Tuesday, Oct. 25, 8 p.m. –The Real Rocky (Jeff Feuerzeig/Mike Tollin)
Tuesday, Nov. 1, 8 p.m. – Charismatic (Steve Michaels/Jonathan Koch)
Tuesday, Nov. 8, 8 p.m. – Roll Tide/War Eagle (Martin Khodabakhshian)

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/07/27/espn-films-announces-tv-schedule-for-new-documentaries/99047/

Catching Hell is the Bartman one, right?

o man is the charismatic one on the horse?

yes & yes

awesome awesome awesome
really looking forward to these.

Looking forward to all of them, but especially the last one for obvs reasons. SWEET HOME ALABAMMY!

:D

this bartman 1 kinda sucks

at least these aspie lawyers who wrote the "bartman report" (lol) probably really like baseball; gibney does not seem like an actual fan, not that it matters

u kinda need da bartman 2 talk 2 make this worthwhile imo

aw that's too bad tho i guess i don't feel bad about forgetting to dvr it.

i missed the first hour

buckner stuff was pretty unnecessary

the aspie attorneys should have been the whole show.

in retrospect, unless you're getting bartman or his family on camera, it's prob hard to do the story w/o it feeling a bit repetitive

altho the stuff w/ the security guard was interesting

I missed it, and i dont have DVR anymore cuz im in the process of moving to Atlanta. Im sure they'll replay it.

My brief thoughts on the Bartman doc:

Cubs fans are savages.

We have met the enemy, and he is us

Renee doc was pretty interesting. I didn't know much about that story.

It was really depressing. She seems to regret the sex change

I think it's more that she wishes it didn't have to happen. It was inevitable, but still fucked a lot of things up.

charismatic one was good. i wonder what poster dmr thought of it

This documentary on Scott Hall is pretty sad.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7124904

Anybody see the Wepner one? I liked it, but they really didnt need to connect it with "Rocky" so much. the story stands on its own. And the video of him and Ali on the Mike Douglas show and Ali telling Douglas that Wepner called him a n----r, is mindblowing.

some of the effects like when they insert spurting blood out of a still photograph is dumb but i guess you work w/ what you have

I thought Wepner was dead for some reason. But I think I got him mixed up with Jerry Quarry.

didnt realize the story is also gonna be a biopic, notably w/ a writing credit by jerry stahl

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932720/

so can anyone who followed college bball in the mid 90s tell me if chris herren was actually a thing? i had never heard of this guy but he was def from the period when i was paying the least attention.