7.9 and 8.8 Earthquakes in Japan

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didn't play the video til after i posted, but came back to say the same. weirdly inappropriate, imo.

ship_rex (+ +), Saturday, 12 March 2011 11:03 (fifteen years ago)

Four trains still unaccounted for. Jesus.

BBC coverage doing its bullshit 'repeatedly saying fuck all' broadcasting right now.

oppet, Saturday, 12 March 2011 11:09 (fifteen years ago)

More weirdly inappropriate tsunami soundtracking (video from 1983)

Competent Person Statement (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 March 2011 11:12 (fifteen years ago)

xpost

Yep. I had to turn to Sky News where they are inexplicably overdubbing destruction sound effects on their rolling disaster porn footage and cutting to moonpig.com adverts every couple of minutes. Decided BBC was preferable.

ears are wounds, Saturday, 12 March 2011 11:15 (fifteen years ago)

Man, TV news sucks during important events.

"Do I know what's going on? No, but I'm here for the next 6 minutes so I'm going to talk anyway."

StanM, Saturday, 12 March 2011 11:24 (fifteen years ago)

I've been glued to the Metafilter thread - don't know if it's been posted here but there seem to lots of fairly knowledgable people / Japanese speakers.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Saturday, 12 March 2011 12:06 (fifteen years ago)

They're adding boric acid or sodium polyborate in seawater to the containment vessel. They pretty much could have killed the reaction at any point with this, but as far as I can gather avoided this, as it will foul the reactor for future electricity production.

Competent Person Statement (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 March 2011 12:19 (fifteen years ago)

I'm struggling to imagine myself in this picture, the scale is just mind blowing.
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20110312/capt.63cc7b50979c4ca0bbd30f0f84ff0999-63cc7b50979c4ca0bbd30f0f84ff0999-0.jpg?x=400&y=266&q=85&sig=Hg2vbf6mWBePIsPg9PqgtA--

Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Saturday, 12 March 2011 12:45 (fifteen years ago)

http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/9944/americans.jpg

ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 12 March 2011 13:53 (fifteen years ago)

http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/9944/americans.jpg

ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 12 March 2011 13:53 (fifteen years ago)

met a bunch of disgusting tossers yesterday at work and in the pub who repeated the "I expect they'll be asking us for aid" shtick

The north-east's Number 2 children's party magician (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 12 March 2011 13:54 (fifteen years ago)

speaking of which the british red cross have said today that the japanese red cross have not asked for any money, they are well-funded, fully-equipped and very experienced

cozen, Saturday, 12 March 2011 13:58 (fifteen years ago)

well I was saying this to people: it's not a poor country, but I guess there are certain kinds of expertise and equipment that they could do with bringing in, as anywhere would need to faced with a disaster of this magnitude

The north-east's Number 2 children's party magician (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:00 (fifteen years ago)

xxxp hope every one of those fuckheads gets a pink slip on Monday morning

a murder rap to keep ya dancin, with a crime record like Keith Chegwin (snoball), Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:01 (fifteen years ago)

Search and rescue teams are being sent (A British Team left today and a New Zealand one yesterday, I'm sure there are others)

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:01 (fifteen years ago)

Some pretty astonishing pictures here, apologies if someone already posted the link :

http://img210.imagevenue.com/galshow.php?gal=gallery_1299937634279_373lo

My Teenage Neo-Prog Shame (Matt #2), Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:04 (fifteen years ago)

Not that these dummies will pay any attention to inconvenient things like facts but may shut some of them up. Makes my blood boil reading these fuckwits.

http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2005/September/20050915165123ajesrom9.768313e-02.html

Japan Proves Truly "A Friend Indeed" After Hurricane Katrina

Japanese government, companies, individuals send assistance to victims

By Jane Morse
Washington File Staff Writer

Washington -- If the saying "a friend in need is a friend indeed" is true, Japan is one of the best friends the United States ever could have to provide support while so many Americans are suffering in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Japanese private citizens and the government alike have sent a virtual tsunami of assistance to the victims of Katrina, which devastated 90,000 square miles along the U.S. Gulf Coast in August. Hundreds of thousands of people lost their homes and hundreds lost their lives.

Japan has pledged more than $1.5 million in private donations. The government of Japan has donated $200,000 in cash to the American Red Cross and some $800,000 in relief supplies -- from blankets to generators -- already are arriving to aid the most needy. Japanese firms with operations in the United States have donated some $12 million in total, including Honda Motor Corporation ($5 million), Hitachi ($1 million) and Nissan (more than $750,000).

The U.S. Embassy in Tokyo was overwhelmed by the generosity of one Japanese individual -- Takashi Endo -- who donated $1 million from his personal funds to Katrina relief efforts. Endo said he was moved when, during a business trip to London, he saw a televised report about a mother separated from her children in the chaos of the flooding in New Orleans. The story so disturbed him he could not sleep that night; the next morning he resolved to do something to help.

Yuji Takahashi, president and chief executive officer of the Japan Petroleum Exploration Company Ltd., which has operations off the coast of Louisiana, donated $100,000 to U.S. federal government hurricane relief efforts. Takahashi said that when he learned of the destruction caused by the hurricane, he felt as if his own family had been affected.

In a note accompanying the donation, Takahashi said: "I have no doubt that your people will stand in the face of difficulties and rebuild their lives in the near future."

Private citizens have sent the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo more than $2,000, and the embassy's Web site and telephone operators have directed hundreds of inquirers to the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund Web site as well as the American Red Cross, the Japanese Red Cross Society and Peace Winds donation sites.

Mayors from cities all over Japan have donated tens of thousands of dollars. Governor Hirohiko Izumida of Niigata Prefecture, for example, provided a donation of roughly $9,000 while stressing the ties of mutual friendship and gratitude that link the people of Niigata and the United States. Niigata suffered a devastating earthquake in December 2004 and received substantial U.S. aid, including logistical and material assistance from the American military.

The Korean Residents' Union in Japan, known as Mindan, donated more than $50,000. Mindan's president, Jae Sook Kim, said upon presenting the check to Ambassador Thomas Schieffer that Koreans felt a deep sense of appreciation to the United States, which "has fought by Korea's side for 60 years of freedom and democracy."

Kim noted that the United States has accepted millions of Korean immigrants. When America hurts, Kim said, "Koreans feel the same pain."

The Youth for Understanding Japan Foundation has pledged $45,000, and the Chiba Lotte Marines professional baseball team has started what will be an ongoing campaign to raise funds from fans to help victims of Katrina as well as the recent Typhoon No. 14 in Japan.

NHK-TV, Japan's leading national broadcaster, has partnered with the Japanese Red Cross for a nationwide fundraising drive. NHK is running regular public service announcements instructing viewers how to donate via bank transfer or in person at any NHK or Red Cross office throughout the country. The campaign will run for one month, from September 6 to October 6. Fuji TV network is running a similar campaign.

A number of Japanese jazz greats and other leaders of the music and entertainment industries have banded together for a major "Hurricane Aid Japan" campaign running through December. Donations will be solicited at numerous concerts nationwide. Record companies and others will put banners on their Web sites and individual artists will collect donations. There is already a Japanese-language Web site up and running, with an English version to follow soon.

One of Japan's leading nationwide retailers, the AEON group, has started to collect donations for the victims of Hurricane Katrina at some 700 stores throughout Japan. The campaign will run September 3-20. During this same period, the chain also will donate 1 percent of all sales proceeds for customers using the popular members' discount cards.

The Japanese Red Cross Society, in addition to acting as a major conduit for individual and corporate donations to Katrina relief, announced it would donate $200,000 of its own funds to support hurricane relief activities of its sister organization, the American Red Cross.

All three Japanese international air carriers (ANA, JAL, NCA) have offered free use of empty cargo capacity to transport relief supplies to the United States.

J. Thomas Schieffer, the U.S. ambassador to Japan, has been kept very busy acknowledging all of Japan's generous donors; many have and will receive his personal thanks.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice expressed her "heartfelt thanks" September 2 for the "warm and passionate response" from the international community. (See related article.)

And President Bush, in a September 14 address to more than 160 leaders attending the United Nations General Assembly meetings in New York, observed that the "awesome power of nature" has unleashed "the greater power of human compassion." (See related article.)

Addressing Japan and the more than 115 countries that have come to the aid of Hurricane Katrina's victims, Bush said: "I offer the thanks of my nation…. (T)he world is more compassionate and hopeful when we act together."

For more information on the storm and its aftermath, see Hurricane Katrina.

See also the Web sites for the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund (English language), the American Red Cross (English language), the Japanese Red Cross Society (Japanese language), Peace Winds (Japanese language) and Hurricane Aid Japan (Japanese language).

Read more: http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2005/September/20050915165123ajesrom9.768313e-02.html#ixzz1GOUI5gvA

Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:04 (fifteen years ago)

wonder how many of those fucktards have playstations

dayo, Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:14 (fifteen years ago)

doesn't bear thinking about the final death toll really but this stood out in a bbc article I was just browsing

In one town alone - the port of Minamisanriku - 10,000 people were listed as unaccounted for [from a pop of 17k], officials were reported as saying.

cozen, Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:21 (fifteen years ago)

anyone wanna take on odds on whether or not the Japanese authority's are lying about the extent of the nuclear disaster here?

garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:46 (fifteen years ago)

vmic

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:47 (fifteen years ago)

I'm just asking. I don't really have a well-informed opinion myself.

garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:54 (fifteen years ago)

but y'know historically authorities tend to lie about these kind of things

garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:55 (fifteen years ago)

well yeah it's hard to draw the line btwn the media trying to second-guess a possible scoop and the authorities tryin to keep a lid on bad news

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:59 (fifteen years ago)

it does seem odd — "the building housing the reactor exploded, but only the walls, and actually the radiation is going down!"

corey, Saturday, 12 March 2011 15:00 (fifteen years ago)

remember, they only have to keep this under wraps until the shuttle takes off/bunker is sealed

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Saturday, 12 March 2011 15:01 (fifteen years ago)

Plant not a worry:

http://atomicinsights.blogspot.com/2011/03/nuclear-plant-issues-in-japan-are-least.html

Gold Coast Sonnings (S-), Saturday, 12 March 2011 15:14 (fifteen years ago)

"A seriously injured worker was trapped within unit 1 in the crane operating console of the exhaust stack. Breathing and a pulse could not be confirmed, Tepco said as it considered a rescue. At unit 3 one worker is known to have received a radiation dose of 106 mSv."

― ears are wounds, Saturday, March 12, 2011 4:50 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

By comparison, survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki who were been exposed to 40-80 mSv (fairly distant from the blasts) were considered to have had a low dose of radiation. Over many years, as I understand the research, a small but statistically significant increased risk of cancer was found in this group.

Similar radiation doses are seen in medical care, from CT scans. A single CT scan can deliver an effective dose on the order of 10 mSv (millisieverts), depending on the body part scanned and the technique used. Many patients with persistent/recurrent but unexplained symptoms or chronic conditions that require serial imaging for surveillance will accumulate exposures >100 mSv, often within one year. Here's a New England journal article on the radiation exposure from CT scans, and an NYT article on the implications of this realization on medical practice

The current concept in medicine is that those doses (~100 mSv) are far more dangerous in children (inverse logarithmic function of age vs risk), especially under age 5. For adults who need to have several CT scans, the hypothetical benefit to their health is thought to outweigh the cancer risk (which takes decades to appear anyway).

The Nerve-giving Principles of the Ox Brain (Plasmon), Saturday, 12 March 2011 15:16 (fifteen years ago)

I know these experts who are saying that towering Hydrogen-fueled explosions, buildings housing the reactor are collapsing, massive radiation levels of highly-reactive material being picked up around the sites are all "positive signs that the reactor is stabilizing" or however they're spinning it, our friends at the Australian Radiation Services are painting another picture:

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg

taco al pastorius (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:27 (fifteen years ago)

(after)

max, Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:31 (fifteen years ago)

http://grab.by/9r2N

dire

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:38 (fifteen years ago)

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/jpq03111/s_j48_RTR2JS0K.jpg

cute

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:44 (fifteen years ago)

Can anyone find a lengthy authoritative source explaining that map above is a hoax?

Fuck bein' hard, Dr Morbz is complicated (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:49 (fifteen years ago)

BTW they're not spinning *anything*, the radiation leakage of the type they have isn't anywhere near worst case scenario and people who don't know shit about how modern nuclear plants operate are commenting.

Worst case scenario is that the reactor *isn't* rendered unusable but is highly damaged and spurts a little more radioactive steam than it should. The evacuation is part of a routine, not due to anything particularly bad happening. Japan just knows how to do routine evacuations. If it was the US, there'd be mixed messages and people hanging out in defiance of government conspiracy theories.

fwiw the worst case is that the fuel rods slag themselves, drop into the containment, and they're unable to use that specific reactor for 10-20 years until it cools down on its own.

mh, Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:52 (fifteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/5ZGkQ.jpg

ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:53 (fifteen years ago)

If it was the US, there'd be mixed messages and people hanging out in defiance of government conspiracy theories.

― mh, Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:52 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

everyday life in the U-S-A

B-)

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:54 (fifteen years ago)

Scenario outlined by Chris there is more likely than having a nuclear reactor meltdown imo.

mh, Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:55 (fifteen years ago)

chris 'slant drill' shaw, american

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:56 (fifteen years ago)

China: "If I can't have Japan... no one will"

corey, Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:56 (fifteen years ago)

anyway i hope youre right mh, ty for the reassurance, i actually feel better abt this now even tho i have no idea whats going on

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:57 (fifteen years ago)

xxp: I'm no ZS, but I bet I could whip that 'shop up in about 30 minutes once I found a logo. Oh, look:

http://www.australian-radiation-services.com.au/images/ars_logo.gif

Competent Person Statement (Sanpaku), Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:58 (fifteen years ago)

chris shaw seems like a pretty chill bro

http://www.facebook.com/lowell76?v=wall

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 12 March 2011 17:01 (fifteen years ago)

I'm no ZS

If you were, that logo would be spinning and emitting omega radiation beams

a murder rap to keep ya dancin, with a crime record like Keith Chegwin (snoball), Saturday, 12 March 2011 17:02 (fifteen years ago)

He likes Obama so he can't be all bad I guess. Like McDonald's too, natch.

a murder rap to keep ya dancin, with a crime record like Keith Chegwin (snoball), Saturday, 12 March 2011 17:02 (fifteen years ago)

chris shaw u r a huge disappointment

http://grab.by/9r46

ice cr?m, Saturday, 12 March 2011 17:04 (fifteen years ago)

chernobyl has kind of colored the entire planet's idea of the safety/fragility of nuclear reactors, which is i mean admirably cautious but chernobyl was basically some rods in a shed overseen by a government and scientific community that almost literally didn't believe the environment was a thing

fingers crossed by all means but i'm reasonably confident the japanese have got this.

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 12 March 2011 17:12 (fifteen years ago)

meanwhile, casualty figures this morning are really really upsetting.

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 12 March 2011 17:14 (fifteen years ago)

That's a really really good point. I did a huge research project on Chernobyl in grad school and that's p otm as far as my understanding.

Also, I can't even wrap my head around the enormity of this all. It just doesn't seem real. That said, I'm just gonna go ahead and leave you with this for now: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=171050926258146&set=a.150362934993612.29090.100000597188200&theater

ENBB, Saturday, 12 March 2011 17:15 (fifteen years ago)

so are we sending him an invite or what

Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 12 March 2011 17:16 (fifteen years ago)


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