"The Wire" on HBO

deej otm - Jordan, are you seriously that dense?

― sarahel, Wednesday, March 9, 2011 7:04 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

uh, you know, there are varying levels of artistic license

oh lil wayne says "pistol off in my boxers" BUT DO WE KNOW IF LIL WAYNE ACTUALLY WEARS BOXERS??

what an immaculate example of artistic license that we can use as a parallel for all other uses of artistic license

yeah the point of this scene i think is that it's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain what's going on, so dialog telling you exactly what bunk's & mcnulty's thought processes are would be kind of redundant and pointless - the "fuck" repetition is just a funny sort of device to hold the place of explanatory dialog here imo, you still get the idea of what's going on

It also highlights the Bunk/McNulty partnership - they know each other and their working methods so well, they don't really have to communicate beyond single syllables.

lol jordan

the "fuck" repetition is just a funny sort of device to hold the place of explanatory dialog here imo, you still get the idea of what's going on

― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 9:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah if you wanted to stretch it you could say theyre clowning the typical over explainy police procedural - the whole 'fuck' aspect is p interesting from their tone at the beginning of the scene you think its moral indignation over the loss of innocent life but then as it progresses its more that theres a mystery that needs solving, the presence of a mystery causes them great disgust and so they must destroy it - amazing virtuoso scene, anyone not feeling it is wildly out of line, same goes for the stevedores of the great season 2

that scene is great, yes

what an immaculate example of artistic license that we can use as a parallel for all other uses of artistic license

― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 8:54 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the prodigy example makes perfect sense though. it would counterintuitive to setting up your scene as 'realistic' using a rusty gun, but it sounds badass. it would be counterintuitive to set up your scene as 'realistic' with a lone gunman, but it would be badass

i dont see what exactly is the stretch here

like, neither is impossible, they're just examples of dramatic license giving something more punch while working w/in the parameters of 'reality' despite not being the most realistic choices

i mean, that said of course, both are entirely POSSIBLE ... just ilke, as it turns out, jumping out of a six story window & surviving is, in fact, real

well yeah it would be badass if prodigy rapped about killing his enemies with a flamethrower while perched in the middle of queens on top of a purple elephant but i'm not sure if i would call it "working within the parameters of 'reality'"

horseshoe, difficult listening hour otm

just like plenty of scenes involving omar go past what i can tolerate in terms of the violation of the parameters of reality

i love pretty much every scene that everyone hates and i never understand any of the criticisms

i'll relent slightly on the balcony thing but i still don't think it really matters seeing as 99% of the ppl who've watched the show (and any who thought the whole thing was bullshit) probably will not see those quotes from simon

tamtam: i never really knew you well enough in your former guise to have an opinion on you one way or the other, but i think you are an a+ poster no homo.

it's not really a lack of realism! it's what realist fiction is made of! like have you ever read a dickens death scene? i always end up sounding like that awful baltimore sun editor from season 5 on wire threads.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, March 9, 2011 5:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

this is very otm to me - it seems hyper-literal and a little lunkheaded to complain about this stuff imo.

jaymc-chan....

tv show is not 100% reflective of reality, oh my god

that said, I had a similar reaction as js my first time through, this tv series was lauded for being 'realistic' and I took 'realistic' to mean 'verisimilar' but actually it just means 'realistic' and then I was like okay, I can get down with that...until season 5

not sure why you would expect a scripted dramatic tv serial to be "verisimilar"

well yeah it would be badass if prodigy rapped about killing his enemies with a flamethrower while perched in the middle of queens on top of a purple elephant but i'm not sure if i would call it "working within the parameters of 'reality'"

― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 11:39 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is this something that omar does in the show cuz i missed that

horseshoe, difficult listening hour otm

― ℳℴℯ　❤＼(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 11:39 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u think im offtm or are u just making sure i know u still dont like me

are you starting beefs, just to start them?

like Marlo putting people in those boarded up houses not cause he has to, but because he can?

im not 'starting' anything thnx for your input

because tamtam didn't include you in his otm litany? like, while you were banned, did you think about how 51 people came to press that button?

i mean, clearly the thing to do would have been to post, "you did not otm me? surely some mistake!"

oh my godddddddddddd

max otm
deej otm
everyone otm

except for jordan and whiney

oh my godddddddddddd

― max, Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:59 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

not sure why you would expect a scripted dramatic tv serial to be "verisimilar"

― sarahel, 2011年03月10日 星期四 下午2:55 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah but people always cite the 'realism' of the wire as being one of its strongest points, its just interesting that 'realism' covers such a broad category of factors, but when people foreground it like that in the conversation I expected idk something closer to the verisimilar side of the spectrum, instead like you said it's just a scripted tv serial

btw deej otm.... SIKE

Ah, good old Local Garda, being clueless and British again.

anyway the "fuck" scene is awesome, omar is awesome, & local garda is british. keep that in mind

― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:40 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

id thought he was irish for the years i've posted here. huh.

who is sarahel

Snoop arrested in drug raid

:(

the Snoop buying the Hilti gun opening sequence (sea 4 ep 1) is easily my favorite Wire scene

Simon's cynicism was so noxious by the last couple of episodes that I'm surprised he didn't end the scene in which the new Judge Pearlman crisply informs Daniels that he can't prosecute his case because of a conflict of interest *CLOSE-UP of Pearlman slyly winking at Daniels*.

xp dayo - i don't recall people telling me I "had to see it" because it was "so real" - just that it was "so good" - so I didn't come at it with those expectations.

if you guys want to see what the wire would be like if it were more realistic you should watch the corner cause thats some real ass dire shit

yeah:

The ‘Lowest Form of Humor’? (No Way)

March 10, 2011 11:34 A.M.
By Jay Nordlinger
Okay, I gotta work, but I have to do one more Corner post — can’t resist. In today’s Impromptus, I revisit — prompted by a reader — the pronunciation of forte: which is “fort.” That’s if you mean forte as in expertise, strong suit. Forte as in loud is “for-tay.” (I could explain the roots of these things, but I have done so a hundred times, and must have bored people to tears by now.)

A reader writes, “The strong half of a fencing blade is also a forte, pronounced ‘fort,’ and is used for parries.” Great. Glad to know. But then our reader continues, “The strong parry, like unto a brick wall, is the parry Mason. The easy and apparently casual but effective parry is the parry Como. The Canadian water parry is the parry, eh?”

Don’t shoot the messenger! I mean, the printer of the letter! Shoot, instead, that punning genius from Astoria, Ore.

Thanks, and see you.

i think maybe when people talk abt the wire being real they mean more subtle and caring abt how the world works from certain societal perspectives more than tv shows generally do rather than resembling real life in every conceivable way

surprise surprise the things i like the most about the wire are when it gets kind of deadwood-y: using the structures of different parts of the drug economy to try to dramatize how things in the "real" economy and "real" politics work

goole - me too!

claims to realism always make me suspicious because a) there's usually an underlying aesthetic presumption that realism is somehow the most admirable of artistic virtues (which I don't agree with) and b) the term means radically different things to different people, so it's a fairly vague signifier. These two things in combination I find particularly annoying

the exposed mundanity at the heart of the drug drama is a beautiful lol xp

xp dayo - i don't recall people telling me I "had to see it" because it was "so real" - just that it was "so good" - so I didn't come at it with those expectations.

― sarahel, Friday, March 11, 2011 12:25 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

looks like we heard different things from different people, no wai!!

David Simon responds to Snoop's arrest

kind of symptomatic of Simon's incurable logorrhea that he felt the need to write a fucking essay about this and tie it into the show's thesis