Actually what I'm saying is that the realism makes the show but without the occasional cartoonish excess you miss out on either the heightened drama, the comedy, or both. How many dudes like Stringer Bell do you think there are around?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
7
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
every time i open this thread its people talking about whether it's "real." someone should seriously send this to HRO
― gawka flocka flamewar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 4:54 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha otm
― max, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
In case these interviews with David Simon haven't been linked to already:
http://www.wnyc.org/people/david-simon/
― A Very Small Bag of Phrases (Eazy), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
a solitary rap line vs a whole character in a TV show
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 3:45 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wtf dude its just a parallel example of dramatic license
― deej, Wednesday, March 9, 2011 1:49 PM (1 hour ago)
deej otm - Jordan, are you seriously that dense?
― sarahel, Thursday, 10 March 2011 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
xposts but
that it's a bit odd to have a character like omar that is so unrealistic & practically superhuman
he’s not superhuman
(who just so happens to find tons of other gay gangsters to be his boyfriend AND partner in crime)
tons = 2?
and i ALWAYS resented how this superhuman character was not able to kill avon from point blank range in the beginning of season one
a) he’s not superhumanb) why WOULD he kill avon in the beginning of season one? how would this benefit him?
but maybe they shouldn't have had him survive a six story fall off of a balcony, is all i'm saying
people schooling you on this is at least the third time it has been brought up in this very thread already, c'mon
― blvd money (sic), Thursday, 10 March 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i really like the mcnulty/bunk murder-reconstruction scene. the "fuck" part is pretty irrelevant: it's several minutes of guys doing a job, which is both interesting and rare on TV, and there's this whole other additional enjoyable layer where we have in fact had this murder described to us, earlier, by an unreliable narrator, and so there's two layers of crosspollinating suspense: 1) will mcnulty/bunk succeed in reconstructing the murder; 2) will mcnulty/bunk's reconstruction of the murder reveal to us inaccuracies in the description of the murder already presented w/ implications about the character, priorities, and concerns of the guy who described it? pretty elegant scene. dunno what else people want from fiction.
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, March 9, 2011 4:50 PM (4 hours ago)
yeah the point of this scene i think is that it's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain what's going on, so dialog telling you exactly what bunk's & mcnulty's thought processes are would be kind of redundant and pointless - the "fuck" repetition is just a funny sort of device to hold the place of explanatory dialog here imo, you still get the idea of what's going on
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link
not that anyone cares but i think i'm sort of applying roger ebert's analysis of the motel scene in "pulp fiction", which i always really liked, to this scene as i was thinking about it
anyway the "fuck" scene is awesome, omar is awesome, & local garda is british. keep that in mind
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:40 (thirteen years ago) link
jordan here's the "fuck scene" fwiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
― sarahel, Wednesday, March 9, 2011 7:04 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
uh, you know, there are varying levels of artistic license
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
oh lil wayne says "pistol off in my boxers" BUT DO WE KNOW IF LIL WAYNE ACTUALLY WEARS BOXERS??
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
what an immaculate example of artistic license that we can use as a parallel for all other uses of artistic license
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
It also highlights the Bunk/McNulty partnership - they know each other and their working methods so well, they don't really have to communicate beyond single syllables.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
lol jordan
― JaySeanLilWayne (some dude), Thursday, 10 March 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
the "fuck" repetition is just a funny sort of device to hold the place of explanatory dialog here imo, you still get the idea of what's going on
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 9:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah if you wanted to stretch it you could say theyre clowning the typical over explainy police procedural - the whole 'fuck' aspect is p interesting from their tone at the beginning of the scene you think its moral indignation over the loss of innocent life but then as it progresses its more that theres a mystery that needs solving, the presence of a mystery causes them great disgust and so they must destroy it - amazing virtuoso scene, anyone not feeling it is wildly out of line, same goes for the stevedores of the great season 2
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 10 March 2011 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link
that scene is great, yes
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 8:54 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the prodigy example makes perfect sense though. it would counterintuitive to setting up your scene as 'realistic' using a rusty gun, but it sounds badass. it would be counterintuitive to set up your scene as 'realistic' with a lone gunman, but it would be badass
i dont see what exactly is the stretch here
― deej, Thursday, 10 March 2011 05:29 (thirteen years ago) link
like, neither is impossible, they're just examples of dramatic license giving something more punch while working w/in the parameters of 'reality' despite not being the most realistic choices
i mean, that said of course, both are entirely POSSIBLE ... just ilke, as it turns out, jumping out of a six story window & surviving is, in fact, real
― deej, Thursday, 10 March 2011 05:30 (thirteen years ago) link
well yeah it would be badass if prodigy rapped about killing his enemies with a flamethrower while perched in the middle of queens on top of a purple elephant but i'm not sure if i would call it "working within the parameters of 'reality'"
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link
horseshoe, difficult listening hour otm
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 10 March 2011 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link
just like plenty of scenes involving omar go past what i can tolerate in terms of the violation of the parameters of reality
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 05:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i love pretty much every scene that everyone hates and i never understand any of the criticisms
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 10 March 2011 05:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll relent slightly on the balcony thing but i still don't think it really matters seeing as 99% of the ppl who've watched the show (and any who thought the whole thing was bullshit) probably will not see those quotes from simon
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 10 March 2011 05:47 (thirteen years ago) link
tamtam: i never really knew you well enough in your former guise to have an opinion on you one way or the other, but i think you are an a+ poster no homo.
― jaymc, Thursday, 10 March 2011 05:56 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not really a lack of realism! it's what realist fiction is made of! like have you ever read a dickens death scene? i always end up sounding like that awful baltimore sun editor from season 5 on wire threads.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, March 9, 2011 5:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
this is very otm to me - it seems hyper-literal and a little lunkheaded to complain about this stuff imo.
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 10 March 2011 05:57 (thirteen years ago) link
jaymc-chan....
tv show is not 100% reflective of reality, oh my god
― Slow lorax loves getting tickled (dayo), Thursday, 10 March 2011 05:58 (thirteen years ago) link
that said, I had a similar reaction as js my first time through, this tv series was lauded for being 'realistic' and I took 'realistic' to mean 'verisimilar' but actually it just means 'realistic' and then I was like okay, I can get down with that...until season 5
― Slow lorax loves getting tickled (dayo), Thursday, 10 March 2011 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure why you would expect a scripted dramatic tv serial to be "verisimilar"
― sarahel, Thursday, 10 March 2011 06:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― little humma boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 11:39 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
is this something that omar does in the show cuz i missed that
― deej, Thursday, 10 March 2011 07:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, March 9, 2011 11:39 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
u think im offtm or are u just making sure i know u still dont like me
― deej, Thursday, 10 March 2011 07:50 (thirteen years ago) link
are you starting beefs, just to start them?
― sarahel, Thursday, 10 March 2011 07:51 (thirteen years ago) link
like Marlo putting people in those boarded up houses not cause he has to, but because he can?
― sarahel, Thursday, 10 March 2011 07:52 (thirteen years ago) link
im not 'starting' anything thnx for your input
― deej, Thursday, 10 March 2011 07:53 (thirteen years ago) link
because tamtam didn't include you in his otm litany? like, while you were banned, did you think about how 51 people came to press that button?
― sarahel, Thursday, 10 March 2011 07:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, clearly the thing to do would have been to post, "you did not otm me? surely some mistake!"
― sarahel, Thursday, 10 March 2011 07:58 (thirteen years ago) link
oh my godddddddddddd
― max, Thursday, 10 March 2011 07:59 (thirteen years ago) link
max otmdeej otmeveryone otm
except for jordan and whiney
― sarahel, Thursday, 10 March 2011 08:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:59 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 10 March 2011 08:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― sarahel, 2011年03月10日 星期四 下午2:55 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yah but people always cite the 'realism' of the wire as being one of its strongest points, its just interesting that 'realism' covers such a broad category of factors, but when people foreground it like that in the conversation I expected idk something closer to the verisimilar side of the spectrum, instead like you said it's just a scripted tv serial
― Slow lorax loves getting tickled (dayo), Thursday, 10 March 2011 08:26 (thirteen years ago) link
btw deej otm.... SIKE
― Slow lorax loves getting tickled (dayo), Thursday, 10 March 2011 08:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah, good old Local Garda, being clueless and British again.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 10 March 2011 09:18 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway the "fuck" scene is awesome, omar is awesome, & local garda is british. keep that in mind― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:40 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:40 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
id thought he was irish for the years i've posted here. huh.
― history mayne, Thursday, 10 March 2011 09:31 (thirteen years ago) link
who is sarahel
― deej, Thursday, 10 March 2011 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Snoop arrested in drug raid
― A Very Small Bag of Phrases (Eazy), Thursday, 10 March 2011 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
:(
― Slow lorax loves getting tickled (dayo), Thursday, 10 March 2011 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link
the Snoop buying the Hilti gun opening sequence (sea 4 ep 1) is easily my favorite Wire scene
― BLOOMPS 2012 (rip van wanko), Thursday, 10 March 2011 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Simon's cynicism was so noxious by the last couple of episodes that I'm surprised he didn't end the scene in which the new Judge Pearlman crisply informs Daniels that he can't prosecute his case because of a conflict of interest *CLOSE-UP of Pearlman slyly winking at Daniels*.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 March 2011 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link
xp dayo - i don't recall people telling me I "had to see it" because it was "so real" - just that it was "so good" - so I didn't come at it with those expectations.
― sarahel, Thursday, 10 March 2011 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
if you guys want to see what the wire would be like if it were more realistic you should watch the corner cause thats some real ass dire shit
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 10 March 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link