Batman carries on beginning in ... The Dark Knight

Dude, with the exception of the 1940s-1960s, the Joker has always been portrayed as a violent sociopath, not a hilarious trickster-thief. I mean, look at what he did to poor Barbara Gordon. Playing the Joker dark and scary is totally appropriate and lives up to what (IMO) is the best part about Batman--the really awesome/interesting/scary villains. xxpost

I don't mean he shouldn't be dark and scary and violent, I'd just rather see him as funny-dark rather tortured-dark.

Yeah, it's totally in keeping with Batman existing more along the Doc Savage/The Shadow/Dick Tracy axis than the Superman/Green Lantern axis.

For that matter, Captain America and the Red Skull pretty much work the same kind of angle.

Here is how I would cast it:

Batman/Bruce Wayne: Mark
Two-Face/Harvey Dent: Scott
Joker: Kevin
Gordon: Bruce
Barbara Gordon: Dave

FWIW I think The Joker's "dark sense of humor" is supposed to come into play in this film.

BONUS POINTS: Katie Holmes is replaced by Maggie Gyllenhaal as Rachel Dawes in this.

And thank god for that.

Does anyone know if this movie is based on "The Long Halloween"? The last one already took some bits of it, and the Harvey Dent thing makes me suspect this one will too.

ledge otm about nicholson face.

but the more i'm reading stuff online about this new one the more i'm warming to it. I love dark and nasty Joker, and am a huge fan of the Arkham Asylum graphic novel.

it's difficult to draw a conclusion on how Ledger is going to play this Joker just from one picture tho. I'm sure they'll be some 'harlequinn' banter at some point surely.

Okay that is perfect!

The Joker isn't in The Long Halloween. It DOES look like it will take elements of that and Dark Victory though, since Sal Maroni is also in it.

Can we cast Jake Gyllenhaal as Gay Cowboy?

I am kind of wondering if the A Story will be from Long Halloween, and Anthony Michael Hall will be the Calendar Killer.

Also, when do we see Robin? Wouldn't it be great if they'd someday come up with a Batman/Robin love story, where Katie Holmes would act as Bruce Wayne's beard?

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I think Joker is in the Long Halloween, but he has only a minor part... Maybe in the movie he's responsible for Harvey Dent's fate rather than the mobsters.

My guess is the newly-mutilated Joker is going on a revenge spree against the mobsters responsible with Bruce and Harvey trying to stop him, and prevent a gang war, with a big ironic finale as Havey gets Two-faced by the same poison that Jokered the Joker.

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I was a bit underwhelmed by The Long Halloween to be honest. Lots of great atmospheres there, but in the end it was just a run-of-the-mill whodunit with a run-of-the-mill twist ending. They should've focused more on Harvey Dent's metamorphosis, which was the most interesting part of the story.

I think of Loeb as second-rate at best, so yeah, I agree.

long halloween was not great.

I didn't really get "Arkham Asylum."

I don't mean he shouldn't be dark and scary and violent, I'd just rather see him as funny-dark rather tortured-dark.

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SO THEN GO WATCH THE IDIOTIC TIM BURTON FILM FOR GOD'S SAKE TUOMAS

or the cartoon series, or the television series from the 60s, or...etc etc!!

It's all Jungian and shit. Fuckin' Morrison. (I don't think AA is one of his better works, but I'd take minor Morrison over a Loeb 'masterpiece' anyday.)

i am so so so there for this if aaron eckhart is playing harvey dent tho. i mean i was there for this before that but now i'm 100% on board.

Look upthread, Ally.

wtf do you think i was referring to, ned.

u makin me crazy, bro!!

xpost Whoa. Now I happen to think that Batman Begins is the best batman movie yet, but let's not get too crazy. Keaton was awesome, and Burton's film was a lot of fun.

u makin me crazy, bro!!

It was your use of the word 'if' that threw me! But now I'm imagining a scenario where they cast him, took the promo photos and then told him they were fucking with him.

omg that should be casting industry standard procedure.

"Michael Keaton" and "awesome" are only allowed in the same sentence as "Beetlejuice" sorry.

How soon we forget "Jack Frost."

How soon thankfully we forget "Jack Frost."

It's all Jungian and shit. Fuckin' Morrison. (I don't think AA is one of his better works, but I'd take minor Morrison over a Loeb 'masterpiece' anyday.)

-- Oilyrags, Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:26 PM (9 minutes ago)

Ya, I got the Jung undertones, I think it was just too much atmosphere and too little comprehensible story for my tastes. I loved the art, but it was too difficult to follow. I suppose I should go back and read Morrison's annotated script in the back.

AA is a bit of a big mess, but it was one of the first things I remember reading with Morrison's name on it - definitely put him on my radar

"Michael Keaton" and "awesome" are only allowed in the same sentence as "Beetlejuice" sorry.

Dear Jessie,

You are wrong.

Sincerely,

Mr Mom

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i actually liked him as batman

I actually liked Arkham Asylum.

I like it as well! Then again it's one of the few Batman books/stories I actually own/have read, which probably skews my viewpoint on the whole cycle.

I only have Killing Joke, Year One, and a copy of AA that a friend gave me. Don't feel the need for much else (I can't stand Frank Miller anymore)

Wouldn't it be great if they'd someday come up with a Batman/Robin love story, where Katie Holmes would act as Bruce Wayne's beard?

No.

here is how I rank Batman books I own:

Killing Joke > Arkham Asylum > Year One > Long Halloween > Dark Victory

I only want to see Robin in a Batman movie if they are going to kill him or if he ends up hating Batman for being the psycho he is.

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No.

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Oh, I could live with it. Williewonkafy the whole Batman concept til its so silver age it hurts and doesn't really affect perception of the Batnolan movies and it'd be fine.

See you in December = when the first teaser trailers are released?

I only want to see Robin in a Batman movie if they are going to kill him or if he ends up hating Batman for being the psycho he is.

omg jessie u r soooo wrong the iconic Batman is mortal perfection personified wlomgoltf.

Are there actually any truly great Batman graphic novels or miniseries besides the Miller ones and Killing Joke? Because most of the ones I've read have been disappointing in one way or another, and I've never had the money or time to follow the monthly books.

Batman and Judge Dredd Files is a must to own by any fan of Batman comics or otherwise, 3 stories by different writers and artists.

Oh yeah, I've read the first one of those (with Judge Death and Scarecrow), it was pretty good.

that was Simon Bisley artwork, which was in my opinion simply breathtaking

So to summarize, Tuomas hates Batman.

We already knew this, though.