"Hipster" as pejorative.

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caring about fashion isn't wrong, i just find it silly. just like you most likely find people who wear stretchy pants and tweety t-shirts silly. yin to the yang.

― Granny Dainger, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

You can't get a Halston suit for $4 in the NYC area!

― tokyo rosemary, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

you definitely can't get any kind of suit for $4 in SF, I don't care where you're lookin. Not even at the "Clothes by the Pound" place.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

you can if you get up early enough!

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

you guys sleep in too late! cuz yer slacker hipsters!

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

hey I get up every weekend at 7am to cook breakfast for the wife!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

If Freud had replaced Marx in the 50s intelligentsia, hipsters were his bolsheviks, the murderous revolutionaries of the psyche as opposed to the menshevik bohemian-liberals.

holy shit.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I think some people want to seem above fashion because it's so personal. The same amount of talent, work, creativity and historical reference can go into a beautiful dress as some glorified painting or black and white still. Making and designing clothes is fucking hard. Is it because it goes on your body and not on the wall where you can be detached from it that some people hate fashion. I don't know why people who obviously care about creative processes and art are all down on presenting themselves with clothing that is thoughtful. Like, I seriously wish I could try harder to dress nicer, even if I don't have the perfect body or height for most clothing that I think is amazing.

― Yerac, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

it probably has something to do with the general vapidity and over-inflated value of the fashion industry.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

plus homophobia

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

In support of Shakey's homoscary theory, I knew a guy once who hated models and the fashion world because "they pay faggots all that money to make em clothes. Wish they'd pay guys like ME as much to MAKE em."

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean this is why people say " I wish I had the balls to wear that." clothing is so personal and people either don't want to stand out in the crowd or they have to stand out because looking like everyone else is upsetting.

― Yerac, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I bet he was an amazing seamstress

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

arggh x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

haven't found any proper couture yet but thrift finds of mine include, comme des garcons wool t-shirt, ysl rive gauche (70's) black wool dress, velvet pencil skirt (going to have to sell, it doesn't fit), royal blue silk blouse.. i had a jean paul gaultier jacket but i sold it.. oh yeah, a giorgio armani black evening dress (i'm going to sell it).. marc jacobs coat (sold it).. hmm.. gold tassel necklace I think is schiaparelli.. plenty of scottish cashmere.. a vintage chloe skirt.. a pale camel cashmere top coat trimmed in mink (perfect condition too) for $20..

i love thrifts, it takes patience but really, the vintage 60's fitted wool jacket that's beautifully constructed and tailored for $7 vs. something new at a department store for $200 that looks like hell after a few years' wear?

I figure, fashion is as much an art as anything else & often speaks more to what's happening today than plenty of things you find hung on a gallery wall

― daria-g, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I had a specific route in all towns to stop at all thirfts in fun/easy order on Saturdays and stop off at Popeye's in the middle. I've found wonderful clothes & boots but it does take a lot more patience than most people have. Sis-in-law who makes bank is always surprised when my clothes are good/thrifted. "I go into a thrift every once in a while and it's all garbage." And therein lies the key: you have to be there all the goddamn often.

― Abbott, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

what's also interesting is that some boutiques and record or book dealers are hurting (fuck 'em) due to the realization of consumers that they can can migrate to sales too, and feed their habit by SELLING THE GAME ON EBAY DAT COM

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄ ▒█▄█, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah and all they sell is bizarro puff-sleeve polyester floral patter knee-langth dresses trimmmed in lace and Old Navy jeans from five years ago? Or such is every 'vintage' store I've frequented.

― Abbott, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean really, most clued in chicks who open a beautifully manicured vintage clothing shop were once collectors who turned a hobby into a semi-career.

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄ ▒█▄█, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope they are not paying other clued in chicks $5.50/hr to help them w/their hobby-career. I got that offer once and jesus, not only would I have had to spend time with them outside of work, the pay was shit. Oh so. How so grasshopper?

― Abbott, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link

why is looking like everyone else "upsetting"? do you really think people aren't into being wearing something outlandish cause they don't want to stand out?

― Granny Dainger, Friday, 16 March 2007 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

why is looking like everyone else "upsetting"?

You don't find it upsetting, obviously. Is it hard to imagine that there are people that do?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:01 (seventeen years ago) link

No, it's not. I'm asking why.

― Granny Dainger, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

But it's all about standing out and then getting testy because people are staring at you for standing out. And then everybody's happy. And closing the goddamn door.

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Some people feel the need to differentiate themselves by the music they listen to, or the books they read, or the movies they watch. They go out of their way to do/take part in/see things are idiosyncratic or quirky because they want to stand out from the crowds of people who do "regular" things. I'd assume a similar mindset applies to people whose focus is clothes.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost ARGH

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry but those people need to grow up!

― Granny Dainger, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link

for fuck's sakes, people. some people want to stand out, visually i guess you would say, by wearing fashionable or expensive or cheap-o or whatever clothes. some people don't. if that's the only element of their personality you're going to judge them by, you are being dumb.

― s1ocki, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:24 (seventeen years ago) link

The same amount of talent, work, creativity and historical reference can go into a beautiful dress as some glorified painting or black and white still. Making and designing clothes is fucking hard.

You could ask the same of advertising/adv. art (minus the homophobia). Capitalism debases - most people only have a concept of fashion that involves mass retail or a bunch of richie-rich/celebrity bullshit (fashion week, couture, places where Common People can't shop). Fashion will never get the same respect as fine art because it is seen largely as an economic enterprise and irrelevant to the lives of most.

On the DIY/thrift angle, clothes-making seems to be more about craft and usability than art school concept. DIY sewing is cool, looking like the neck-tattoo douchebag from Project Runway is not.

― milo z, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

it's like judging people by their taste in food. or.. er... music.

― s1ocki, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

can't we all just get along?

― s1ocki, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry but those people need to grow up!

Granny Dainger on Friday, March 16, 2007 7:20 PM

Why is this a juvenile mindset?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Fair enough, Slocki, but have you not encountered people for whom consumer choices in music and/or fashion are defining aspects of their personality?

― milo z, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

of course it's not the ONLY element i'd judge them on! i'm sure there's tons of other aspects about them which would allow me to look down on them more fully.

― Granny Dainger, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Fair enough, Slocki, but have you not encountered people for whom consumer choices in music and/or fashion are defining aspects of their personality?

if i have, they never mentioned it

― s1ocki, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

allow me to look down on them more fully.

I'm starting to think you're the most egregious hipster here.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link

for whom consumer choices in music and/or fashion are defining aspects of their personality?

I would say those people I met who may meet of that stripe had OBSESSION as a defining aspect, no matter the channel of said obsession.

― Abbott, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah to be honest the only kind of person i can imagine that description applying to would be a pretty pathological one

― s1ocki, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link

because consciously choosing hobbies/clothes/art to stand out from The Rest Of Society paradoxically means that The Rest of Society (of whom these people are presumably trying to say "you do not run my life. i am my own unique person.) is having an equal, or even greater, effect on your life than on the "sheep', and only a person with a juvenile mindset wouldn't realize this.

― Granny Dainger, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

one the other hand i'm sure i've met people for whom consumer choices in music and/or fashion are defining aspects of their social selves. and i don't think there's anything wrong with that.

― s1ocki, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm starting to think you're the most egregious hipster here.

I'm starting to think you have 0 sense of humor.

― Granny Dainger, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

dude get one sense of the Wry.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i dunno maybe i'm projecting here. when i was a juvenile, i wanted to stand out. or something. so i dyed my hair strange colors, wore crazy thrift store shirts, etc etc. and then eventually I came to think it was all silly and start to agree with the mindset of my good friend, who grew out of all that earlier than I did, and by junior year of high school was wearing, like, plain colored tshirts and khakis all the time. not because he no longer wanted to stand out so much as he just didn't feel like TRYING SO HARD.

― Granny Dainger, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

so basically you couldn't hack it.

― s1ocki, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:52 (seventeen years ago) link

perhaps there is another explanation

so no speculation about who posted that ad? disappointing.

― gabbneb, Saturday, 17 March 2007 00:54 (seventeen years ago) link

You're right, choosing to focus on things like clothes (vs. immaterials like personality) as a way of standing out takes a lot of effort. I used to make the effort too! I wouldn't be surprised if lots of us around here did, especially when we were younger. I just think (imho!) its a mistake to characterize the effort-in-itself as juvenile. Certainly this feeds into ideas of "hipster"-types being cliquey and catty because their lifestyle lends itself to such juvenilia, but I don't think it's fair to say that anyone who manifests their personality in material things like record collections or clothing choice or show-going is juvenile by default.

har ha /insulation from charges of humorlessness

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 01:01 (seventeen years ago) link

damn you lack of xpost notification!

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2007 01:01 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

― Abbott, Saturday, 17 March 2007 01:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I was just pretending it still existed.

xxpost

― Abbott, Saturday, 17 March 2007 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link

you guys are getting all wound up unnecessarily, maybe? I like fashion, I like clothes - it's interesting to see how people put things together.. I mean, it makes the morning kind of fun, sometimes, if I'm looking around thinking OK I have these dark caramel trousers and black top and *some* bright color wants to go with this to make it unusual.. hmm.. a-ha! bright peri blue! that's it. don't take it so seriously.

those wild psychedelic maxi dresses from the 70's are about to be right back in style so maybe the "vintage" shops will be able to sell 'em off finally. (I woudn't wear them, they don't suit me)

― daria-g, Saturday, 17 March 2007 01:11 (seventeen years ago) link

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