― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 5 April 2003 05:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.match-cut.de/img&snd/mbad.jpg
L' annee derriere.
― Erik, Saturday, 5 April 2003 07:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's almost, not always, true that if it's a really cutting edge film, no one will know the name of it because no one will have seen it. Non-representational films, for ex., esp. animation created by scratching and coloring, that "liberate" the filmmaker and which are the first days homework in any film school animation class. "Look, continues images don't show up as continuous images. The 24 f.p.m. standard is a compromise between flicker and the appearance of motion created by the persistence of vision." "Oh, wow."
Cinema is a rules-based artform. For the most part, these visual and narrative conventions are liberating, rather than restrictive. Visually and stylistically renegade filmmakers sometimes are useful when they develop a new technique that can be expropriated by more mainstream filmmakers.
But this is nothing new. The art for art's sake movement is relatively new, the product of the industrial revolution giving a lot more people a lot more money and leisure time. Great art has always been popular art. Raffaele and Leonardo were sought after not because they were great artists but because they were popular and each pope/prince had to keep up with the Joneses.
"Every picture tells a story, don't it."
― Skottie, Saturday, 5 April 2003 07:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
Dead Man, while not being experimental or avant-garde, is also one of my favourite films of all time.
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Saturday, 5 April 2003 08:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 5 April 2003 11:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 5 April 2003 11:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
Would "Cabeza de Vaca" qualify?
― badgerminor (badgerminor), Saturday, 5 April 2003 13:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 5 April 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― slutsky (slutsky), Saturday, 5 April 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
Mark cuts to the heart of it all.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 April 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 April 2003 14:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 April 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
Chantal Akerman - "News From Home"Jean-Luc Godard - "Weekend"Abbas Kiarostami - "The Wind Will Carry Us"Andrei Tarkovsky - "Nostalghia"
― o. nate (onate), Saturday, 5 April 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
Also, the treated street car film mentioned above may be Bruce Bailey's (I think that's his name) film Castro Street, which consisted of very colorful images sliding across the screen.
― nickn (nickn), Saturday, 5 April 2003 22:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
bad movie: pretty much any experimental film. For example the quay brothers "institute benjementa". It's just too complicated and it's black and white. Which makes it suck. Switching scenes too slowly completely ruins the flow of the story. A nice predictable and simple story line is always better.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 5 April 2003 22:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 5 April 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
rowr!!
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 5 April 2003 23:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 5 April 2003 23:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mary (Mary), Sunday, 6 April 2003 21:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
resnais mon oncle d'amériqueLuis Bunuel The Phantom of Libertydebord la société du spectacleNagisa Oshima In The Realm Of The Sensesmichael snow so is this
― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Erik, Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
That's the person I was trying to think of in my original post to this thread. The film that features rapidly alternating perspectives from within a hallway. It has been bothering me ever since (particularly as I'd seen the film in question multiple times), and it came to me tonight.
Serene Velocity. Great film. Anyone know this one?
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 16 May 2003 06:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
The Nine Lives of Thomas Katz...where end of the world in coming to London, windows speak and the subway has it's own gods.
Watch the K Foundation Burn a Million Quid...where the boys from KLF burn a million pounds of their own money. It really happened.
Don't Touch the White Woman!...where the famous battle between general Custer and the Indians takes place in modern-day Paris. Marcello Mastroianni plays Custer, and Catherine Deneuve is his mistress.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 16 May 2003 06:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
i thought the K foundation thing had been officially discredited now?
― arthur woodlouse (arthur woodlouse), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt (Matt), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
What do you mean by that? I heard Drummond & Cauty have destroyed all the existing copies of the film, but nothing about it being discredited.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
which surprises me. i kind of thought he had gone through with it. seemed like that kind of bloke from his writing. [naive fool that i am]
― arthur woodlouse (arthur woodlouse), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 2 October 2004 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 2 October 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link
every once in a while i check amazon..i don't know how to start a request or a waiting list for a release, so all i do is hope..
now, the only maya deren- related dvd out at this point is the excellent documentary "in the mirror with maya deren" on zeitgiest films.
― reo, Saturday, 2 October 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― reo, Saturday, 2 October 2004 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link
George Landow - On the Marriage Broker Joke...
― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 3 October 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link
how about "Holy Mountain" by Jodorowsky
― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Sunday, 3 October 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link
# Hairspray (1988)# Desperate Living (1977)# Female Trouble (1974)# Pink Flamingos (1972)# Multiple Maniacs (1970)
― EComplex (EComplex), Sunday, 3 October 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Sunday, 3 October 2004 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 3 October 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link
The Color of Pomegranates -Sergei Paradjanov
WR Mysteries of the Organism -Dusan MakavejevSweet Movie - Dusan Makavejev
(under no circumstances read _any_ plot summary of Sweet Movie before watching the film)
http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/33/makavejev.html
All Bunuel after 1960 is worth watching at least once, also don't miss El
― (Jon L), Sunday, 3 October 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link
found this site looking for a good link for Zulawski's film Possession. have seen about 75% of these, which bodes well for the ones I haven't.
― (Jon L), Sunday, 3 October 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 3 October 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link
i thought this was the thread where one of the noize dudes threw a hissy fit because they thought i criticized a brakhage film, but i guess not
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 3 October 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link
(sorry)
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 3 October 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tous Les Garcons S'Appellent Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Sunday, 3 October 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tous Les Garcons S'Appellent Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Sunday, 3 October 2004 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link
An Evening w/ Ernie Gehr at NYC MoMA tonight (there were still tix 2 hrs ago).
http://moma.org/calendar/films.php?id=6243
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 29 October 2007 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Recent obits for Curtis Harrington refer to a series of early underground movies, including one, 'Wormwood Star', featuring the fabulous Marjorie Cameron from 'Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome'.
Anyone seen any of this?
― Soukesian, Monday, 29 October 2007 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
By next year, every expensive uptown arts venue that screens a-g film will be devoted entirely to Ernie Gehr.
― C0L1N B..., Monday, 29 October 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link
'Pleasure Dome' is fucking awesome! There's a collection of Kenneth Anger's films (vol. 1, more forthcoming I hope) on DVD now from Fantomas, I got it through Netflix. I liked all five of them on the DVD. Marjorie Cameron was the wife of Jack Parsons, crazy fucking world.
― Abbott, Monday, 29 October 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link
re: Costa being a charlatan. You may or may not like what he is doing but I think his work in the inner cities is deeply felt, committed and comes from a genuine place.
From a scan those pieces don't really give me much to re-think. Looking at the events in mid-70s Portugal from the POV of Cape Verdians is a great way of looking at those events - and carry even more of a charge today, given what is happening in Europe.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 May 2016 07:51 (eight years ago) link
re: Straubs. I actually don't see the fuss. From the half-dozen I've seen they seem very watchable and I can only imagine there being other reasons for the difficulty in presenting their work at the BFI. I've seen old arthouse 'classics' in old prints with four fucking people over the years. Seriously, what's the hold up?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 May 2016 07:59 (eight years ago) link
I've been hot and cold on Costa, but i generally found Horse Money hypnotic on first viewing. I am gonna steer clear of the more "declamatory"/lengthy S-H films tho. That leaves enough for me to dip my toe.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2016 11:19 (eight years ago) link
S-H roundup, including link to Hoberman
https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/daily-jean-marie-straub-and-daniele-huillet
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 May 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link
and linking this Pinkerton piece on S-H because I walked out on History Lessons at the two-thirds mark last week, feeling Straub wouldn't mind. The Bach film was fine, though.
http://frieze.com/article/we-make-our-films-so-audiences-can-walk-out-them
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 May 2016 20:02 (eight years ago) link
Only the strong survive Straub-Huillet – and I wouldn’t have shirked the test for all the world.
#maMan
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 May 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link
Although I was just talking abt my struggles with Brecht's prose on ILB.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 May 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link
soliciting Straub / Huillet recomms for May (only seen Not Reconciled)
Read this as Straub / Huillet romcoms, which would be great.
Although, if anyone can recommend a good place to start with them, that would also be great.
― ed.b, Friday, 20 May 2016 19:18 (eight years ago) link
ed.b, if you still have access to a DVD machine capable of playing Region 2 DVDs, I would recommend this two disc set from New Wave films, which contains Straub-Huillet's biggest hit - Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach - and Sicilia!, which xyzzzz astutely recommended above.
Aren't all their films romances?
http://www.newwavefilms.co.uk/view-film-detail.html/?viewListing=Mjc=
― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Friday, 20 May 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
RIP Peter Hutton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM4V7lAy74M
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/movies/peter-hutton-filmmaker-with-austerely-romantic-worldview-dies-at-71.html
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link
:(
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 16:51 (seven years ago) link
Straub / Huillet retrospective at UC Berkeley, starts on Jan 26, until May 2017
http://www.bampfa.berkeley.edu/program/not-reconciled-cinema-straub-huillet
― sbahnhof, Monday, 2 January 2017 05:41 (seven years ago) link
coming to America
https://thefilmstage.com/news/grasshopper-film-to-release-catalogue-of-legendary-filmmaking-duo-jean-marie-straub-and-daniele-huillet/
http://grasshopperfilm.com/film/straub-huillet-collection/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link
Yvonne Rainer recommendations?
https://www.filmlinc.org/series/talking-pictures-the-cinema-of-yvonne-rainer/#films
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
Journey from Berlin is all I've seen - can't remember much about it, except thinking it was good.
Would so see Madame X. Ulrike Ottinger is really good.
Have fun!
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 21:15 (six years ago) link
obit roundup for Paul Clipson
https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/5371-the-daily-paul-clipson-1965-2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
RIP Jonas Mekas
http://gothamist.com/2019/01/23/jonas_mekas_avant-garde_film_auteur.php
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:15 (five years ago) link
re: the straub/huillet discussion upthread, full retro happening in london over the next three months: https://www.goethe.de/ins/gb/en/ver.cfm?fuseaction=events.detail&event_id=21471962&
― devvvine, Saturday, 2 March 2019 08:23 (five years ago) link
RIP Barbara Hammer
https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/6250-barbara-hammer-s-legacy
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 March 2019 16:21 (five years ago) link
word seems to be spreading that straub has passed
― devvvine, Sunday, 20 November 2022 11:41 (one year ago) link
:-(
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 November 2022 12:59 (one year ago) link
Straub and Godard In the same year, damm. And Rest in Provocation.
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 20 November 2022 14:00 (one year ago) link
RIP. I saw From the Cloud the the Resistance, Antigone and Machorka-Muff just this year. All amazing, and the first is so singular and strange.
― glumdalclitch, Sunday, 20 November 2022 15:58 (one year ago) link
Here's a lovely curated playlist of shorts:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5xOztE613KMOvfW_L5zaa6j3cdLUwO4c
― glumdalclitch, Sunday, 20 November 2022 16:07 (one year ago) link
I have more vivid memories of reading Richard Roud's Straub book than the films themselves, intriguing though they were.I should get around to watching Sicilia!, which James Quant of TIFF was always talking up.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 21 November 2022 03:56 (one year ago) link
couple of days left to catch two, imo, unmissable online retrospectives of female experiemntal filmmakers:
ellie epp on ultra dogme: https://ultradogme.com/2023/08/18/ellie-epp/
jun kurosawa on equinox: https://equinox.film
― devvvine, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 12:24 (nine months ago) link
👍
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 12:55 (nine months ago) link