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My father was UTTERLY AGAINST Compression as the instrument of the devil. I kind of agree with him. I've never used it.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

How odd!

― tissp, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

No, there's whole threads on ILM about how evil Compression is. I'm not alone in my thoughts.

Tiny judicious use of it is OK in the mastering process, but never blanket compression when mixing. Bad bad bad! If you want the song to be louder, that is what that big knob on your stereo is for. You don't want to lose the dynamics of a song.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

Compression on vocals tho.

― G00blar, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

No no no, I am completely against over compression of records, but you're talking about mastering compression. Insert compression is useful and nearly essential on individual instruments to level out the individual dynamics to an appropriate level--most obviously, vocals.

― tissp, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Compression on vocals - NEVER!!! Step delay on vocals. You never fuck with vocals.

Compression on bass, that I'm willing to conscience, because you boominess and depth without crazy volume increase.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

("what g00blar said" xpost)

― tissp, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Sick Mouthy's yer man for the anti-compression rants

― Tom D., Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

I would always slighlty compress vocals to even them out, but I guess it would come down to how good yr singer is!

― tissp, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

If you need compression on vocals, either you need a new microphone, or you need to learn better breath support to get a more even sound. A properly trained singer doesn't *need* compression. That's just ugh ugh wrong, feh!

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

But mastering compression is different from insert compression at the mixing stage--Nick's completely against overuse of mastering compression (I am am completely in agreement with him).

― tissp, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost nightmare here)

― tissp, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

If you need compression on vocals, either you need a new microphone

How does this work then?

― tissp, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/steveepostman_lsd_blotter.jpg

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

I see

― tissp, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

That blotter makes me want to take acid again.

No, no, no. Boxcar, etc.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god, I am addicted to coffee again. How did that happen? I was being so good. It's this stupid hour earlier thing, I'm still not adjusted to it.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

In from college for dinner.

I watched some of the DVD last night - "The Show Off" an entertaining light comedy. contrary to the bumph written about it online, Ms Brooks (3rd billed when the movie was made, top of the bill on the DVD packaging) does not steal the show, the actress who plays the other young female lead is as good an actress as LB was. LB was good, though, convincing & likeable in her (relatively small) role. Also hott, obv. I watched a bit of the Clara Bow feature "The Plastic Age" (great futuristic title for a film made in 1925!) it's a college campus comedy, less sophisticated than "The Show Off", but the bit I watched looked pretty enjoyable. Clara Bow always looked like a little girl (IE not hott) to me in pics, this is not the case in moving images, wow, she was ridiculously sexy. I never realised. Def. developing a bit of a thing for silent era actresses. Best of all, though the DVD is a region 1 one, VLC media player played it no problems (unlike quicktime, wmp & others). LOADS of silent movies available in the US, I hardly know where to start. Some Pola Negri films - "sumurun", "the woman he scorned" look pretty great. Nazimova in "Camille", Gloria Swanson in "Male & Female". I get the impression that in the '20s, tha actresses were by far the biggest stars. Blah blah (etc)

― Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

i am hands -free kit

― g-kit, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

Silent era actors and actresses are totally teh hottness. I used to have the most massive thing for Conrad Veidt (the Somnambulist in the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari) - but in talkie movies he always ended up playing Nazis despite being run out of Germany by the Nazis. :-(

There's just something about those Edwardian dudes with their floppy slicked-back hair and their make-up (lots of eyeliner, rowr) that just does it for me.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I have left a message for Dr. Scientist.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

Teh pointiest nose in the world!

http://www.silentsaregolden.com/photos2/conradveidt.jpg

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

i am hands -free kit

Perv! ;-)

Ok, I'll stop now.

― nathalie, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

every time i post here, i am accused of being some kind of sexual deviant. despite you guys having FP posting here regularly.

― g-kit, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

FP doesn't post anywhere near as much as he used to, so we have to make do with teasing you.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

then i must leave, teasing i need not.

― g-kit, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

But it's friendly teasing, not "FATTY FATTY FAT FAT" point and laugh teasing!

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

Ohmigod, polytunnel strawberries or not, these are gorgeous. I'm kind of scared by the size of the last one, it's ENOURMOUS.

6cm by 5cm by 3.5cm.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

My lack of posting is, I have to admit, slightly to do with the amount of teasing I get!

(along with slightly to do with a new supervisor at work, with the rest of ILE being relatively boring/annoying, and with various other Real Life Stuff)

― Forest Pines, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

Soon there will be no one left. And where will we do then?

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Strawberries the size of apples, cane toads the size of dogs. Whatever next?

― Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

End times.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

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― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

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― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.churchofbibleprophecy.org/church-symbol.jpg

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.neaiga.org/PicMasonic%20AlterIsrael.jpg

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.freewebs.com/gitchimanadusthunder/handsani.gif

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

Must stop teasing FP.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.churchofbibleprophecy.org/church-symbol.jpg

We have a cover

― tissp, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

does the say pieLX?

― Ed, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

I just won Kate's birthday present on eBay.

― Ed, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

OOoh, now I'm intrigued.

Aaah, who knows how to write Hebrew? I'd love to have it say "pie" (as in pie you eat) under Pi (as in maths pi).

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

From what I have heard of your dad I think he is in the school of thought that says, 'Compression promotes laziness because the musician does not have to play or sing at a consistent level to get a good take'

The guy who taught me recording wouldn't let anything touch the desk without insert compression, generally quite gentle but still it was there.

Given that you are trying to maximise the use of the dynamic range of your recording medium and you are recording someone with limited time, on the money clock, then it would be a good thing to save otherwise good takes with compression.

It shows on the mix we did last night that you have taught the girls to sing well into the microphone and compression is less of an issue.

Wait till you record me on the mando, you are going to be screaming for the dbx to tame my shonky playing.

― Ed, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

No, I will be making you practise more and more to tame your shonky playing.

Part of the whole point of home recording is that there is no money clock!

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Let's see when we get to take 1476.

― Ed, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Something I learned from Warn DeFever - three takes is all you get.

(Not really, obviously, as I record in pieces and put it all together, but I understand his reasoning - the best take is usually take 1 or 2 and it's nice to have a free take for punching.)

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, if you mess up a take, K8 punches you?!

― G00blar, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yup, I'm as psychotic as Phil Spector in the studio. Indeed.

(The funny thing is, I'm actually one of the calmest people you ever want to deal with in the studio. It's one of the only places where I don't get wound up or random urges to punch people, I'm very patient and understanding, even when on about Take 200.)

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

guessing, but i suppose it's cos you love making music; Month End, however.....

― Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

(Leonard Cohen is in the studio, recording an album with producer K8 St. C1aire. K8 has her arm around Leonard's shoulders, a bottle of wine in one hand, a loaded .45 in the other.)

K8 (smiling): You know what, Leonard?
Leonard (cowering): Uh, what, K8?
K8: I like you, Leonard.
Leonard: I hope you do, K8, I hope you do.

― G00blar, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

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