DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

When Dave says multiculturalism isn't working, I take it to mean his au pair has been sacked.

It's vital we make this distinction between the religion and the political ideology.

Time and again, people equate the two. They think whether someone is an extremist is dependent on how much they observe their religion.

So they talk about 'moderate' Muslims as if all devout Muslims must be extremist. This is wrong.

Someone can be a devout Muslim and not be an extremist.

We need to be clear: Islamist extremism and Islam are not the same thing.

Yes Dave this is really making it clear.

"State multiculturalism is a wrong-headed doctrine that has had disastrous results. It has fostered difference between communities," the Conservative leader said in a speech.

Somebody should've explained to him what "multiculturalism" means I guess.

It's important to stress that terrorism is not linked exclusively to any one religion or ethnic group.

We need to be absolutely clear on where the origins of these terrorist attacks lie - and that is the existence of an ideology, 'Islamist extremism'.

munich is known for other things, and i think it's, at best, a bit paranoid to suggest the choice of that town for that speech is some kind of dog whistle.

Scouting underage sex rings with Frankie 'The Pink Panther' Ribberz

undeniably associated with nazism tho and presume the thesis James Mitchell was forwarding was at least partially tongue-in-cheek

are you from munich

re: multiculturalism debate, blast the house of commons into space plz

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loving the hat acoleuthic

i have lived in munich, yes. thinking nazism when you think munich is like thinking terry venables when you think of fc barcelona or british tourists when you think of the situation in egypt.

or "Munich, the birthplace of Nazism"

thinking nazism when you think munich + politics is pretty bloody obvious really

just think if we'd cracked down on multiculturalism back then guy fawkes would never have happened

good point cameron shoulda made that a central PLANK of his speech

so to be clear (1) british politicians can't give political speeches in munich without it being, at best, naive? is berlin ok? or rome? (2) the choice of munich motivated by the nazi connection?

I've just outed myself as a 90 year old Telegraph reader, haven't I?

no but seriously, why did cameron give this speech on the same day as the EDL rally?

maybe take a chill pill caek no-one's calling you a nazi yet

unless that was earlier in this thread

if your reaction to this speech is to focus on tweetable nonsense like the choice of town or the clash with the edl march rather than, i don't know, the repulsive content, then you're doing it wrong.

should be focussing on the typeface instead

typical tory-led attempt at obfuscation of the real issues at hand

probably blackletter am i right?

Perhaps the content is bad enough but the venue and conjunction with EDLing is just the icing on this particular caek?

Believe that, traditionally, shouting "TWO WORLD WARS AND ONE WORLD CUP" at any German you see has been a common tactic to speak out against right-wing extremism.

Don't the EDL march somewhere every fucking week?

And caek's point, rightly I think, is that calling a right wing scumbag a secret Nazi when he obviously isn't a Nazi detracts slightly from more obvious, provable assertions like "this bloke is a right wing scumbag".

nobody actually has tho

sorry, my culture forbids me from getting into pedantic dissections of grammar during February

It's a bit like giving a speech inferring that multiculturalism means tolerance for terrorism, and all terrorists are Muslims.

xxp right, but he's being called on something that is pretty far fetched in a way that verges on delusional, rather than the things he's actually saying with his mouth. this isn't a trap/distraction for the left set by some genius troll like palin. if you want to win arguments you have to be smarter than to set your own.

i really dont think anyone is seriously suggesting anything like any of that itt

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It's a bit like giving a speech inferring that multiculturalism means tolerance for terrorism, and all terrorists are Muslims.

― James Mitchell, Saturday, February 5, 2011 2:53 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

overly reductionist and a mite one-eyed? don't forget the speech's digs at the left, and the daily mail-lite brow-beating that some of the homegrown turrrists are middle class.

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loving the hooks James Mitchell

It's a bit like giving a speech inferring that multiculturalism means tolerance for terrorism, and all terrorists are Muslims.

― James Mitchell, Saturday, February 5, 2011 2:53 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah im p sure this didn't happen, though

but he did it in MUNICH, site of the attack on the 1972 olympics, so, well, dog-whistle stuff really

lol

Whatever the subtleties of Cameron's speech the effect will surely be a boost for the EDL. They managed to march through Luton without beating anyone up, they got lots of pictures of themselves in the papers at the same time as the headlines proclaim "multiculturalism is dead". Cameron's made them look, if not mainstream, certainly not out of step with government thinking.

He's a great operator doing a brilliant job.

in honour of our toff overlords, could we plse rename "suggest ban" to "community trigger"?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12378755

yellow cards have kept the ilx peace for years now

"community tigger" plz.

local agencies will be compelled to take action if five people from five different residences in the same neighbourhood have complained and no action has been taken

http://columns.stlcomics.com/tftlof/VIII/full/vigilante40.jpg

there were pretty similar stipulations under the ASBO system tbh

don't want to be 'that guy' but that's not really vigilanteism

it's all moot really because the police are fucking useless tribalist pricks whose main job is covering their own arses

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Rodney 'Dave' Cameron.

that isn't rodney.

Trigger calls him Dave, though.

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community trigger

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12378565

Some cracking insights from the Institute of Directors into how to save the country here

I heard that repeatedly punching members of the Institute of Directors in the face would save the UK economy £8 billion a week alone