DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

Never liked that prolier-than-thou wanker

Bragg has his own problems.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jan/06/billy-bragg-neighbours-hate-mail
tbh never found him particularly "prolier than thou". And he came to my Beloved Home City recently when it counted.

Ah well, that's not on, aw the best Bill! <-------- swift u-turn

I thought you would have at least gone for this...
DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

Nah, even a wanker deserves sympathy when menaced by a bigger wanker

Never liked that prolier-than-thou wanker

I'm not a particularly enthusiastic endorser of B Bragg, but what exactly are you basing the above accusation on?

Evidence of the old glazzies, o my brother

WS Sally Bercow btw

Loads of those Telegraph HYS people were very "WNS", so hey,...

The very idea of John Bercow having sex is repulsive.

I wouldn't want him to be there tbh

teal & orange.xls

David Cameron is in Munich, the birthplace of Nazism, giving a speech condemning multiculturalism on the day the EDL march in Luton. He's done this on purpose, right?

ah yes, munich, the birthplace of nazism

what does your most recent post mean caek

nazism was born in yr heart, not in munich

Nazism is for the children

Agreed Posh Dave wants everybody to be white like him tho

tory-EDL coalition 2015

When Dave says multiculturalism isn't working, I take it to mean his au pair has been sacked.

It's vital we make this distinction between the religion and the political ideology.

Time and again, people equate the two. They think whether someone is an extremist is dependent on how much they observe their religion.

So they talk about 'moderate' Muslims as if all devout Muslims must be extremist. This is wrong.

Someone can be a devout Muslim and not be an extremist.

We need to be clear: Islamist extremism and Islam are not the same thing.

Yes Dave this is really making it clear.

"State multiculturalism is a wrong-headed doctrine that has had disastrous results. It has fostered difference between communities," the Conservative leader said in a speech.

Somebody should've explained to him what "multiculturalism" means I guess.

It's important to stress that terrorism is not linked exclusively to any one religion or ethnic group.

We need to be absolutely clear on where the origins of these terrorist attacks lie - and that is the existence of an ideology, 'Islamist extremism'.

munich is known for other things, and i think it's, at best, a bit paranoid to suggest the choice of that town for that speech is some kind of dog whistle.

Scouting underage sex rings with Frankie 'The Pink Panther' Ribberz

undeniably associated with nazism tho and presume the thesis James Mitchell was forwarding was at least partially tongue-in-cheek

are you from munich

re: multiculturalism debate, blast the house of commons into space plz

http://www.harpers.org/media/image/blogs/misc/guy_fawkes_portrait.jpg

loving the hat acoleuthic

i have lived in munich, yes. thinking nazism when you think munich is like thinking terry venables when you think of fc barcelona or british tourists when you think of the situation in egypt.

or "Munich, the birthplace of Nazism"

thinking nazism when you think munich + politics is pretty bloody obvious really

just think if we'd cracked down on multiculturalism back then guy fawkes would never have happened

good point cameron shoulda made that a central PLANK of his speech

so to be clear (1) british politicians can't give political speeches in munich without it being, at best, naive? is berlin ok? or rome? (2) the choice of munich motivated by the nazi connection?

I've just outed myself as a 90 year old Telegraph reader, haven't I?

no but seriously, why did cameron give this speech on the same day as the EDL rally?

maybe take a chill pill caek no-one's calling you a nazi yet

unless that was earlier in this thread

if your reaction to this speech is to focus on tweetable nonsense like the choice of town or the clash with the edl march rather than, i don't know, the repulsive content, then you're doing it wrong.

should be focussing on the typeface instead

typical tory-led attempt at obfuscation of the real issues at hand

probably blackletter am i right?

Perhaps the content is bad enough but the venue and conjunction with EDLing is just the icing on this particular caek?

Believe that, traditionally, shouting "TWO WORLD WARS AND ONE WORLD CUP" at any German you see has been a common tactic to speak out against right-wing extremism.

Don't the EDL march somewhere every fucking week?

And caek's point, rightly I think, is that calling a right wing scumbag a secret Nazi when he obviously isn't a Nazi detracts slightly from more obvious, provable assertions like "this bloke is a right wing scumbag".

nobody actually has tho

sorry, my culture forbids me from getting into pedantic dissections of grammar during February

It's a bit like giving a speech inferring that multiculturalism means tolerance for terrorism, and all terrorists are Muslims.

xxp right, but he's being called on something that is pretty far fetched in a way that verges on delusional, rather than the things he's actually saying with his mouth. this isn't a trap/distraction for the left set by some genius troll like palin. if you want to win arguments you have to be smarter than to set your own.