Is this anti-semitism?

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they're down because the previous year had a spike, the overall trend is upward

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 22:26 (fifteen years ago)

so yes, it is

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 22:27 (fifteen years ago)

I can't see the figures before 2000 in that CST report. Do you have them?

Alba, Thursday, 3 February 2011 22:49 (fifteen years ago)

no but feel free to email the cst, i'm sure they'd be happy to hear from you

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 22:54 (fifteen years ago)

Also, it's good that the CST publicise such incidents, but I'm unclear how they control for changes in reporting and recording behaviour over the years, which is important if their data is to be used to make longitudinal comparisons. Even they say that the rise "partly reflects the increased size and scope of the CST's work, and better reporting rates to CST from the Jewish community".

Alba, Thursday, 3 February 2011 22:58 (fifteen years ago)

well i dont work for them so like i say, feel free to email them to quiz them about their methodology

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:01 (fifteen years ago)

But it doesn't interest you too?

Alba, Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:04 (fifteen years ago)

lol, what are you hoping to gain from checking out the methodology? "oh look, methodological problems. UK is just as anti-semitic as its ever been, not significantly more."

Mordy, Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:06 (fifteen years ago)

we could probably save a bit of bandwidth if you just said what you wanted to say instead of trying to nudge me towards some sort of exciting revelation of my damning misunderstanding of stats nick

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:09 (fifteen years ago)

I suspect you understand stats as well as I do. I'm not trying to say anything other than expressing a certain scepticism about the way stats get pushed in press releases to journalists. If asked to guess, I'd say that there was a real, depressing, spike in antisemitic incidents last year, that it's subsiding and that the longer-term trend is flattish.

I'm probably not going to email the CST questions because I'm lazy and would vaguely worry about being mistaken for some weird antisemite obsessing over their work.

Alba, Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:19 (fifteen years ago)

well i'm glad yr optimistic but i'm not feeling it myself

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:31 (fifteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

wonder what he said

http://fashion.telegraph.co.uk/news-features/TMG8347082/John-Galliano-suspended-by-Dior-following-arrest-over-anti-semitic-rant.html

Romford Spring (DG), Friday, 25 February 2011 15:14 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.leparisien.fr/laparisienne/actu-people/antisemitisme-presume-galliano-suspendu-de-ses-fonctions-chez-dior-25-02-2011-1331441.php

Le Parisien is reporting that he said, «Dirty jewish face, you should be dead», and «Fucking Asian bastard, I will kill you». That first one sounds odd. "Sale tête de juif" is a perfectly traditional anti-Semitic thing to say in French but who would say that in English? Maybe he was speaking Franglish.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:13 (fifteen years ago)

oh glenn

not so shocked about the reform rabbis claim as I am rmde at alleging that Holocaust-survivor George Soros collaborated with the Nazis to send Jews to death camps

ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:08 (fifteen years ago)

wait, it's anti-Semitic to draw devil horns and a goatee on a picture...?

DJP, Friday, 25 February 2011 21:14 (fifteen years ago)

they gave him john galliano's facial hair

Romford Spring (DG), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:20 (fifteen years ago)

According to Rabbi Abraham Cooper, scribbling a beard and devil horns on a photo of someone is "a symbol associated with virulent anti-Semitism going back to the Middle Ages, deployed by the genocidal Nazi regime, by Soviet propagandists and even in 2011 by those who still seek to demonize Jews today."

no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:27 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/662,2068869/Did-Moses-have-horns.html

buzza, Friday, 25 February 2011 21:33 (fifteen years ago)

The mistranslation that causes Michelangelo to portray Moses with horns (instead of 'radiant') has nothing to do with the demonization of a pre-Christian European horned god.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

I had heard the "Jews have horns" things before but never actually connected that with the picture defacing

I feel like someone shat on my childhood

DJP, Friday, 25 February 2011 21:54 (fifteen years ago)

I bet you drew penises too.

Super Cub, Friday, 25 February 2011 22:08 (fifteen years ago)

THAT'S ANTI-SEMITIC TOO?????

DJP, Friday, 25 February 2011 22:10 (fifteen years ago)

depends - were they circumcised

ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:10 (fifteen years ago)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EMR4FQ95GP4/SeB--_hrUdI/AAAAAAAAEIw/kuC2kX4IpJ4/s400/Poster+-+Young+Man+With+a+Horn_03.jpg

kirk is jewish too

buzza, Friday, 25 February 2011 22:13 (fifteen years ago)

I might get a horn making out w/Betty, too.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:14 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3436757/Film-of-John-Gallianos-racist-rant-in-bar.html

Romford Spring (DG), Monday, 28 February 2011 13:06 (fifteen years ago)

Classic. Fashion designer an arrogant hateful dick SHOCKAH!

Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 28 February 2011 13:08 (fifteen years ago)

This article was amended on 27 February 2011. The original headline, 'Bon viveur? Yes. Racist? Non', was felt to have been misleading, by giving the impression the writer had concluded John Galliano was not a racist before any allegation had been fully investigated. It has now been changed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/25/john-galliano-paris-shows-doubt

lol

Romford Spring (DG), Monday, 28 February 2011 13:26 (fifteen years ago)

"It was the Dom Perignon talking, occifer, honest..."

Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 28 February 2011 13:27 (fifteen years ago)

oh gawd

No one was surprised that Dior suspended him pending the police investigation.

yeah, the fashion industry is well known for its high ethical standards

this odyssey that refuses to quit calling itself (history mayne), Monday, 28 February 2011 13:29 (fifteen years ago)

one season, he was Fagin in squished black top hat and hobnail boots;

erm

Romford Spring (DG), Monday, 28 February 2011 13:32 (fifteen years ago)

the 'second mumford and sons album cover look' as it will be known

they will have been disappointed not to have been (nakhchivan), Monday, 28 February 2011 13:34 (fifteen years ago)

Oh, it'll come out he had a "reaction" to medication, or some such...

Mark G, Monday, 28 February 2011 15:41 (fifteen years ago)

Galliano caused offence for what many perceived as gross insensitivity a decade ago when he used outfits improvised against harsh weather by homeless people in Paris, whom he saw every day while out running, as inspiration for a couture collection worth upwards of £10,000 per garment.

haha omg

iatee, Monday, 28 February 2011 15:55 (fifteen years ago)

Oh, it'll come out he had a "reaction" to medication, or some such...

"With parole as inducement, Virgil submits to the vaccine test. It is a success, except for one temporary side effect. For several hours, he is turned into a rabbi."

http://dryden.eastmanhouse.org/media/tamo.jpg

Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 28 February 2011 15:56 (fifteen years ago)

LOL @ unemployed racist wanker

Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 15:12 (fifteen years ago)

Waiting to see how 'troubled' he is - I am suspecting major issues here besides assholism and alcohol, dude was drinking solo which is NAGL but as of now, no scary Dior press office to back up/hide his bullshit. Good on Natalie Portman for speaking up, because I'm sure her threat to quit over it was probably the last straw.

The irony is killing me: a gay man would be oven-ready in Nazi Germany too.

anna sui generis (suzy), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 15:59 (fifteen years ago)

According to some Guardian journalist on Twitter, Julian Assange has told Private Eye that he blames a "Jewish conspiracy" for his predicament. Classy dude staying classy.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:07 (fifteen years ago)

a gay man would be oven-ready in Nazi Germany too.

Exactly what I was thinking

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:12 (fifteen years ago)

why would he tell private eye that? richard ingrams is no longer editor anyway

they will have been disappointed not to have been (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:12 (fifteen years ago)

Most people who bang on about Jewish conspiracies don't actually know any Jews for reals.

Disturbing part of the Galliano story is that he's doing sterling work giving homophobes ammo for the 'bitchy gay man' angle in lots of the reporting. Gay friends already complaining about it.

anna sui generis (suzy), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:17 (fifteen years ago)

http://liberalconspiracy.org/images/media/privateeye_assange1.gif

joe, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:28 (fifteen years ago)

http://liberalconspiracy.org/images/media/privateeye_assange2.gif

joe, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:29 (fifteen years ago)

oops, bit hard to read, try here: http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/03/01/assange-goes-off-deep-end-blaming-jews-and-guardian-in-private-eye/

joe, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:30 (fifteen years ago)

Actually, suzy, part of fully accepting the humanity of homosexuals is realizing that their capacity to be drunken, racist assholes is every bit as large as any other person's.

For me, the real story is about how sheltered someone so pampered can become and how that deference paid him has obviously sheltered him from having to interact with normal people who would otherwise call him on this inane BS.

Also, it's interesting to me that Arnault/LVMH acted so quickly and so firmly to protect not only Dior's rep but possibly all their other holdings.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:31 (fifteen years ago)

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/kashmirhill/files/2010/12/Julian-Assange-OkCupid-Profile.jpg

rip big man

they will have been disappointed not to have been (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:33 (fifteen years ago)

a gay man would be oven-ready in Nazi Germany too.

eh Ernst Rohm wasn't exactly executed because he was gay y'know

ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:34 (fifteen years ago)

MW, I agree with you - I am merely passing on what my friends are complaining about in the reporting of the story and people's comments in social media.

anna sui generis (suzy), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:35 (fifteen years ago)

The Nazis were not as rigorous in their homophobia as in other forms of hate but oven-ready is a felicitous way of putting it, nonetheless, Shakey.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 16:40 (fifteen years ago)


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