NAMING RIGHTS THREAD: Liverpool really won't win the Premiership 2010-2011

i didnt say it wouldnt affect them. I said it would harm smaller clubs, you had already established that celtic & rangers crowds were down due to streaming and what have you. Im just assuming pubs everywhere will show these games, im not aware of any pubs doing that just now (i live like 3 mins from a pub which is on the main rd)

but with this ruling more might do it now. And with the prospect of the nu-spl still having teams playing each other 4 times a season and 2 less clubs in the top division means those fans dont have much to look forward too and might just spend the money in the pub and i would imagine the rest of the lower divisions might just think fuck it. I dont think anyone is looking forward to playing SPL colt teams in their regional division.

This isn't actually a ruling, you do know that, right? And lots of pubs do it anyway, it's not hard to find a pub showing a televised game at 3pm on any given Saturday if you have access to, ooh, I dunno, google? Like, er, the woman taking her case to court just now?

I possibly just mix with proper football fans who support their team and aren't representative of a bunch of fairweather fannies, but I can't honestly think of a single person I know who would stop going to support their team to go and watch Celtic or Rangers (or Arsenal/Chelsea/Man U/Liverpool/whatevs) on the telly instead.

Anyway, it's not so much about bums on seats as it is wodges of cash from Sky, no?

How will other Scottish teams be fucked?random euro channel not going to be putting on any more games than already are on.

― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 3 February 2011 18:06 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Considering clubs already have the ability to live stream games straight into a feed picked up by the tv companies who then want to use it (i.e. where highlights reels come from even if a game is not used live), and we live in an age of 'press red button for coverage of X instead of Y' - I bet loopholes will be exploited where it turns out Z tv station can show A play B for a £5 and make £10 on their red button so why the hell not?

Does that make sense? I'm not sure it does typed out like it does in my head?

I know of at least one club who offer this to ex-pats as a "virtual season ticket".

expats aren't really having a direct knock-on effect on attendances though, but it's presumably a nice wee revenue source. It's this stream then getting hoicked up on the internet and watched by people on their settees rather than in the stadium that's causing people to stop going. I'm again surmising that this has more of an effect on the example I'm thinking of that the example you're thinking of.

Oh no agreed, I was just confirming that people were already charging for it. (I fall within the definition of expat btw but 1. It costs far too much and 2. Would you be paying money to watch us ATM?)

What I think I mean is that clubs in Scotland probably won't be massively fucked by more pubs showing games legally as they pretty much have their fanbases regardless of what's going on elsewhere. I reckon the big two will suffer more because loss of telly income -> gits moaning that we can't afford proper expensive players any more -> less fairweather idiots supporting players rather than teams. This seems to be happening already due to streaming and satellite dishes and that anyway, and we get so little from Sky anyway that a breakup of rights to show games could be OK. A middling EPL club losing 15000 fans to telly is going to be financially affected far more than 50 East Fife fans going to the pub to watch Rangers.

xpost, I've done stupider things than that to watch my team when they've been shit, so probably, aye :-/

You're underestimating how much we are charging, I think.

The elephant in the room (and this may come from our own places of origin) is that an awful lot of people probably don't understand the sheer scale of supporters buses crossing Scotland to Old Firm games every weekend.

and getting the ferry.

Those numbers are dwindling. They won't fall massively, but I think they were artificially boosted for a while when money was more widely available (to fans and to clubs) and they're settling back down to what will have to become the sustainable level.

Really? I remember at one point there were probably 50+ buses each from Fife and my dad remembers as a youth there being 2 buses for each side from Aberdeen.

really i don't think this will hugely affect scottish football (and i apologise really for putting mutliple posts itt regarding scottish football, which will doubtlessly be as interesting to most people here as hearing about what's going on in the Jupiler Pro League). i don't imagine the full spl card will be available. yes clubs have online setups for ex-pats. no i don't think these rights will be sold to random european broadcasters, as there simply isn't the demand for league games not involving the old firm above and beyond the service already delivered to, mainly, ex-pats on a season ticket basis. the tv money may drop, that will be bad, but we're hardly facing the crisis the EPL is if things go a certain way regarding this issue.

my comment earlier about 3pm Saturday kick-offs is just because imo that is the best time for a football match. Time for the pub before. when the weather is more clement it's a nice time to walk up to the stadium. the routine is comforting, you know where you are with 3pm kick-offs. you know that where you stand in the league table at the end of the 90 minutes is where you'll be at the end of the weekend. i don't much go in for tradition, but saturday 3pm i do go for in a big way. there's possibly a thread in that, a general all purpose "against modern football" one maybe, but i'm not much for thread creation.

Agree with most of that, was just trying to counter the assertion that Celtic and Rangers would be fine and the rest of Scottish football would be set adrift in a leaky basket as a result of games being on the telly (when Celtic and Rangers can be widely found on a telly/internet at 3pm on a Saturday anyway).

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"if you say to me in the future would you like to be manager, for sure, no doubt about this. When, that is the question. I have to move forward, anyway."

I kind of liked his "pfffff £50M? He was worth more than that when I was manager" schtick.

"When, that is the question. I have to move forward, anyway."

imagining a two hour long silent pause between these statements.

Niall Quinn hates YOU, ilx. (1-0 to Sunderland after ten mins, it's on sky)

Hope no Sunderland fans are paying Sky to watch the game in their own home when they could be at the match.

Shd get a Private Investigator to check whether some feckless bastards are sat in city centre pubs when they shd be in the stadium.

I imagine they'll be opting out of future tv rights packages to preserve their advantage

Hope Niall Quinn isn't sucking money out of the club by paying a backbench politician an outrageous salary for a cushy role on the board.

"The concern is how do you actually sell it in a practical, meaningful way that doesn't ruin the essence of what territorial rights are all about. It cannot be right that we end up with pan-European, homogenised broadcast offerings."

says Richard Scudamore. He doesn't say why that can't be right though. Seems to me that's exactly where we'll end up in some variety, like with most every other type of good

well that was quick

well that was quick

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No footballing brain.

lol took me longer to find and load this thread than it took us to score

post-carroll era of goooooooooooing down

well that was quick

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well that was quick

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaomg

hm, good work in deciding to finish the album i was listening to before switching on to the arsenal game, eh.

Are Spurs and Arsenal on some kind of bet today?

Oh VDV misses the retake. Fail!

newcastle should bring on the 35mil cash

They could just pile it up in front of the goal.

Stick a Jägerbomb on top of it

3-0!!

So on pace for 27 goals

i'm pretty certain i can kick a ball through a pile of paper tho

gonna quickly bet on it finishing 27-0. (xposts :'( )

This is going to end 35,000,000 - nil.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE STOP SETTING UNITED A TARGET

All set for 80 minutes of ineffective tippy tappy.

Would be class Wenger trolling if he started to sub off key starters now to rest them. "Nice 15 minute shift Cesc, come and take a seat". In fact maybe Arsenal could take this opportunity to practice 10 against 11.

our record win is only 12-0 btw

would love it if Arsenal chose today to discover the pleasures of ruthlessness

pretty lol defending and goalkeeping there

First goal on 40 secs then 3 mins, then 9 mins, they're taking their foot off the pedal. Slackers.