a thread about the civil unrest in egypt (& elsewhere in 'the region' if necessary)

don't really know what the attraction is of going anywhere if you don't know the history. like, just buy a ViewMaster if all you want to do is look at some pyramids.

Let's be frank, too; you can go to Thailand and do nothing but lay on the beach, visit brothels and eat cheap food. Most ppl don't really go to Egypt for anything BUT history.

Red sea resorts denizens would disagree.

@waelabbas Eyewitness:Tank commander put pistol in his mouth to commit suicide, soldiers stopped him & burst out crying #egypt

as if complaining about ignorant americans touring abroad is not as narrow + self-centered as those americans themselves. can we talk about egypt without it being about how educated and classy we are compared to other americans?

Yes. Sorry for derail.

Tho, to respond to gbx original point, I doubt the destruction of antiquities wld really cause many more ppl to pay attention to this.

also, destruction of antiquities WOULD be really tragic - i don't know if people will become more upset if it happens but they should. i wouldn't say that these artifacts are worth more than human lives, but i also wouldn't say that they're worth less. they're our connection to shared human histories and it would be nice if we could preserve them for future generations.

one report i heard was that the looting of antiquities has been overblown, so far. one museum was broken into, but only the giftshop got cleaned out

Amazingly poor coverage on Sky News of current events, which can be summarised as "crazy foreigners lay into each other". CNN has this ongoing header "Egypt's Protests Turn Violent", as though it was the protesters rather than pro-regime thugs who were instigating violence.

watch Aljazeera

AJE has been excellent, imo

yup. don't bother with western media imho

one report i heard was that the looting of antiquities has been overblown, so far. one museum was broken into, but only the giftshop got cleaned out

yeah I saw this too. was a relief to read.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/02/article-1352848-0D046D36000005DC-983_634x848.jpg

poor camel

The crowds need ropes for those guys. 'Cavalry' very susceptible to being clotheslined.

Mubarak relying on professional thugs to do his dirty work isn't really a tactic that's going to reinforce his legitimacy imho

will be sad if this devolves into full-scale street-fighting with the army just standing by to protect various buildings

The crowds need ropes for those guys. 'Cavalry' very susceptible to being clotheslined.

― Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Wednesday, February 2, 2011 12:38 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Pikemen, dude. Pikemen.

reprehensible, etc. but that takes some guts to be the first wading in there on a fucking camel

It takes guts to protest against a brutal dictatorship.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/02/article-1352848-0D046F8B000005DC-911_634x443.jpg

I'm worried about that horse. :(

sure, but I imagine the guy would be trying to hit the other guy.

anyway, animals get killed in abattoirs all the time, so feh.

It takes guts to protest against a brutal dictatorship.

Plus they're doing it for free.

was said upthread, but the purposely neutral pro- and anti-Mubarak language being used on the news is v irritating

I half expect to see this next

http://www.theancientweb.com/images/explore/Tunisia_Hannibals_Elephant.jpg

Camel dudes are pro-Mubarak thugs.

1811: BBC world affairs editor John Simpson, in Cairo, says: "Within the last half hour, the heavy battle outside the Egyptian museum between pro- and anti-government demonstrators has ended. Rather unexpectedly, the confrontation seems to have been won by the pro-democracy protesters. All through the day they have been under attack by supporters of President Mubarak, and this represents an important turnaround in the situation. The opposition has now regained control of Tahrir Square, the centre of the last nine days of protests."

something to be said for sheer strength of numbers. I mean, really how many pro-Mubarak supporters can there be

hoping for a bloke in an ostrich costume after the elephants

Also, Britons: Can you explain why the BBC media player's max audio level is '11'?

the news eventually gets round to estimating a few hundred pro-mubaraks, after a quarter-hour of giving the impression Egypt is split 50/50

I love that - can only be a spinal tap reference

Risible:

1604: Witnesses tell BBC Arabic that the camels and horses that charged anti-government demonstrators in Tahrir Square earlier belonged to people who work at the Pyramids in Giza. They were apparently angry that the unrest was driving away tourists from Cairo and hurting their businesses.

I certainly hope so.

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^^ that's not so surprising. if the government and economy are as corrupt as people say, i'm sure the plum gigs like antiquities tourism are going to be held by loyalists

xp

hoping for a bloke in an ostrich costume after the elephants

http://www.avians.net/scarletdown/gallery/Misc-Art/Joust-Poster.jpg

Gibbs press conference on right now. If I hear him refer to the administration's "posture" one more time in gonna barf.

goole, I would not be that surprised if it were true, but it's not a terribly astute assessment to blame the demonstrators at this point.

i turned off the gibbs conference after ten minutes of stuttered replies about the egyptian people's right to demand change.

when does Jay Carnival take command of the press office?

u guys have noticed that the WH mouthpiece's job is to figure out how not to answer questions, ja?

i only went the ten minutes because i thought it might end.

i turned off the gibbs conference after ten minutes of stuttered replies about the egyptian people's right to demand change.

i'm torn on what the administration's proper response should be. you think they should forcefully denounce mubarak and endorse the protestors?

waiting for fox to run a story about "(mu)bara(c)k obama."

no i really do appreciate the miserable difficulty of their embarrassing geopolitical situation! it's just dull to watch is all.

http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/how-to-beat-a-train-strike-movie-style/8.jpg

It followed Mr. Mubarak’s 10-minute television address on Tuesday, in which he pledged to step down within months — an offer that was rejected by his opponents, who have demanded his immediate resignation — and was met with a call by President Obama for a political transition “now” that infuriated Cairo.

“There is a contradiction between calling on the transition to begin now, and the calls which President Mubarak himself has made for an orderly transition,” an Egyptian official said Wednesday. “Mubarak’s primary responsibility is to ensure an orderly and peaceful transfer of power. We can’t do that if we have a vacuum of power.”

The official said that the Egyptian government has “a serious issue with how the White House is spinning this.”

ie "30 years of loyalty and this is how you treat me?"

Utter bullshit. There's no reason an interim govmt cannot arrange for elections and it frankly would be any more lacking in legitimacy than he is. He is the biggest obstacle to stability right now.

Egyptian Constitution says: resignation of president triggers elections in 60 days