a thread about the civil unrest in egypt (& elsewhere in 'the region' if necessary)

also he suggests that successful revolutions in the arab world will encourage a muslim invasion of europe. because they want it, guys--they've wanted it ever since the reconquista! look at their beady little eyes.

xp demonstration effects

found this very moving

like, the opening pages of Homage to Catalonia-style inspiring

the entire mediterranean including s europe is gonna become a muslim caliphate then the overwhelming numbers of 'radicalized muslimites' are gonna join in russia gonna push in this way see chinas gonna push in this way its all coordinated its just like iran its just like the 1st world war saudis gonna push in this way if theyre still around cause they are scared to death israel shia sunni etc etc

i watched the whole thing!

http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2011/01/29/did-muslim-brotherhood-learn-day-of-rage-egypt-protest-tactics-from-obama-allies-bill-ayers-and-code-pink/

that fact that there are people who cant identify beck as a classic bullshitter on sight is p chilling, its a giant snowball

anyway the idea that somebody needs to crush this thing because it's all gonna go to hell if the a-rabs rise up is basically the idea the right wing is batting around.

I find this not only condescending but idiotic. Conceivably they have it exactly backwards; if you don't allow the Arabs hope in freedom and democracy, you can be certain that their present authoritarian regimes will one day fall to vitriolic movements bent on punishing the West and I have seen no indication so far that the Egyptians are not remarkably politically mature in their revolt, self-policing, inclusive, decent, patriotic.

The right-wing narrative, once again, is being driven by the desire to emulate Churchill in the wilderness years and have the bravery to be against Nazi re-armament, only this time 'islamofascism' is the existential threat to freedom except for when freedom is a threat to freedom, of course. They're complete loons.

putting aside legitimate concerns (how can they transition power without falling into anarchy, what will democracy look like -- ie logistical questions) i cannot see how any intelligent ethical person could not be moved and inspired by what is going on in egypt. also, my impression about the role of the Muslim Brotherhood in egypt atm is that they are kinda like fringy right-wingers in America. Some are interested in legitimate participation in government, some are radicals. But we have lunatic radicals in the West too and they haven't staged a takeover of our governance. this is nothing like gaza where almost all politics started in a radical position and so the choice between fatah + hamas could resolve in an undemocratic way (not to mention Israel basically just withdrawing and things being slapped together in haste). in egypt there is a lot of moderate thoughtful representation and these are a nation of people clearly crying out for representation. it's incredibly moving imho.

Shakey, it's really disconcerting when the crazy A-rabs behave with more circumspectionn and composure than your average tea-party obamacare opponent.

Ha ha, goole, like there have never been riots or uprisings in Egypt. The ahistoric and ad hominem stretch that these guys will go to is risible.

well it's always about them isn't it...

haha yeah michael i think glenn beck just assumes all mobs are like the one he whips up, i.e. paranoid and cultish

i think the fountainhead of the right-wing attitude towards stuff like this is that "freedom" is something america invented and will be happy to export, but it's far too dangerous for anyone else to attempt to manufacture, especially arabs.

if they really want to be patriarchal they could just say, "they learned about it from watching us" and feel all good about themselves.

if they really want to be patriarchal they could just say, "they learned about it from watching us" and feel all good about themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo

I wonder what they think of Eisenhauer screwing the Israelis/French/British over Suez?

Eisenhauer?

Dwayne "Dude" Eisenhauer, TKE frat house, 1962

Bloody Germans

Ha ha! I don't know why that's the way it's spelled in my head. How odd.

just sat through that entire beck clip and my head is spinning with the amount of invented connections

did u guys miss btw that this is actually all bill ayers fault

ayers is in bed w/turkey everyone knows that

gross

Jordan quaking in its boots too, apparently. wonder what the Saudis think... I mean, they don't have the uber-poor population that Egypt does but still.

Saudi Arabia seems like a whole different kettle of fish. Was watching Asia Cup finals and saw Qatar royalty sitting in their thrones at the stadium, and it was gross.

the amount of bad facts and poorly formed logical connections in that cohen article is breathtaking

reading thru the corner reminds me that the american right has hated el baradei from way back:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/258519/el-baradei-and-al-qaqaa-affair-cliff-may

yeah elbaradei is a "stooge of iran" fyi

also has anyone seen elbaradei and bill ayers in the same place at the same time??? not saying just sayin....

*slaps glenn beck's fire icon to thread*

ilx is on fire, twitter is on fire, the internet is on fire

we learned to troll from code pink

sounds like mubarak might announce he wont seek re-election

and for my next failed gambit at maintaining power

nowhere else to go after that, except to live in Saudi

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1859: Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq appears on Egyptian television without a shirt and tie - an unprecedented event. He says he is worried, but is confident that he can make the country stable again.

huh?

and 'obama urges mubarak not to run again'

honestly that doesn't really seem like such a bad option - interim gov't can get set up in the intervening months, parties can form, etc. and then free elections in the fall. of course whether the protesters are willing to wait that long is another question

I guess at this point I should just say whether the COUNTRY is willing to wait that long lol

yeah it seems like its pretty obvs the protestors have the upper hand at this point so why not just play it out

mubarak stepping down in sept can still mess w/things/the election til then

as he has been known to

does anyone else find it odd that Bin Laden/Zwahiri et al have apparently been totally silent through all this?

mubarak stepping down in sept can still mess w/things/the election til then

^^^yes definitely. potential grounds for rejection of that option there. no doubt he would try to reassert authority via proxy or something

dude should probably cut his losses and flee the country before he gets put on trial tbh

does anyone else find it odd that Bin Laden/Zwahiri et al have apparently been totally silent through all this?

probably for the same reason everyone else (Muslim Brotherhood, Israel, other groups) is silent. they're waiting to see how it plays out before they decide how they feel about it

cut a deal for immunity and gtfo seems like his best bet at this point xp

like, it looks to me like egypt might become a liberal democracy. it might look that way to bin laden too, which would suck for the mission obv. but he can't exactly condemn a popular anti-fascist uprising or he'll look really bad. idk.

outside forces dont want to be seen as influencing the process as egyptians are seeming p fed up w/outside forces influencing their processes at this point

also, it's pretty clear that whatever the population wants right now, they don't want a theocracy and they don't want violence. There's not much AQ can gain by trying to insert a role for themselves here

I bet Zawahiri is paying very close attention.

it might draw attention to the fact that this is an utter, crushing defeat and humiliation for them