a thread about the civil unrest in egypt (& elsewhere in 'the region' if necessary)

oh we're gonna see that one again believe me

lol al jazeera just interviewed an official from mubaraks party and he was all i told him many times just this year he had to listen to the people and be nicer and change things alalalala sure buddy

god richard cohen is the WORST

so hitler > richard cohen, is that what ur saying

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AJ reporting that security for the tahrir square demonstration being provided by an army/civilian collaboration to prevent secret police from entering.

max it's just a little pro-dictator rhetoric in america's most influential political newspaper, let's be cool.

i've resisted putting up all the crazy right wing crap i've been seeing, but tracer that's the weak end of it believe me

again from that Al-J interview with the state dept:

interviewer: "democracy would be destabilizing to the region, wouldn't it?"

Batshit Rightwing Cartoons 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH7GPPpsw6g

oh god

can you summarise beck's wacky geography lesson? I don't want to watch it.

i don't know he's talking about the goddamn WEATHERMEN at the moment

he looks like a weatherman in that frame

goole i do not expect to profit from viewing the video behind that link

lol. "i've run out of riots"

the thesis, no really, is that all of these countries with bad things happening in them, riots and unrest: spain, tunisia, greece, lebanon, egypt -- are connected by the mediterranean. it's all connected!

At what point can I cease even bothering to refute Beck? It really should be beneath my dignity.

fyi that's the first 10min stretch of beck i've ever been able to stand. weird.

The truth doesn't have an agenda, guys.

he also says that the riots are "exactly like" iran 1979 but nobody else is brave enough to say so? except that every lazy imperialist has been saying that constantly for the past week. also no they aren't.

anyway the idea that somebody needs to crush this thing because it's all gonna go to hell if the a-rabs rise up is basically the idea the right wing is batting around.

THE COMING INSURRECTION

he basically thinks the entire mediterranean is on fire. literally.

the entire mediterranean... is on fire.

xp heh

oh and tunisia = archduke ferdinand

something about a big snowball

also he suggests that successful revolutions in the arab world will encourage a muslim invasion of europe. because they want it, guys--they've wanted it ever since the reconquista! look at their beady little eyes.

xp demonstration effects

found this very moving

like, the opening pages of Homage to Catalonia-style inspiring

the entire mediterranean including s europe is gonna become a muslim caliphate then the overwhelming numbers of 'radicalized muslimites' are gonna join in russia gonna push in this way see chinas gonna push in this way its all coordinated its just like iran its just like the 1st world war saudis gonna push in this way if theyre still around cause they are scared to death israel shia sunni etc etc

i watched the whole thing!

http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2011/01/29/did-muslim-brotherhood-learn-day-of-rage-egypt-protest-tactics-from-obama-allies-bill-ayers-and-code-pink/

that fact that there are people who cant identify beck as a classic bullshitter on sight is p chilling, its a giant snowball

anyway the idea that somebody needs to crush this thing because it's all gonna go to hell if the a-rabs rise up is basically the idea the right wing is batting around.

I find this not only condescending but idiotic. Conceivably they have it exactly backwards; if you don't allow the Arabs hope in freedom and democracy, you can be certain that their present authoritarian regimes will one day fall to vitriolic movements bent on punishing the West and I have seen no indication so far that the Egyptians are not remarkably politically mature in their revolt, self-policing, inclusive, decent, patriotic.

The right-wing narrative, once again, is being driven by the desire to emulate Churchill in the wilderness years and have the bravery to be against Nazi re-armament, only this time 'islamofascism' is the existential threat to freedom except for when freedom is a threat to freedom, of course. They're complete loons.

putting aside legitimate concerns (how can they transition power without falling into anarchy, what will democracy look like -- ie logistical questions) i cannot see how any intelligent ethical person could not be moved and inspired by what is going on in egypt. also, my impression about the role of the Muslim Brotherhood in egypt atm is that they are kinda like fringy right-wingers in America. Some are interested in legitimate participation in government, some are radicals. But we have lunatic radicals in the West too and they haven't staged a takeover of our governance. this is nothing like gaza where almost all politics started in a radical position and so the choice between fatah + hamas could resolve in an undemocratic way (not to mention Israel basically just withdrawing and things being slapped together in haste). in egypt there is a lot of moderate thoughtful representation and these are a nation of people clearly crying out for representation. it's incredibly moving imho.

Shakey, it's really disconcerting when the crazy A-rabs behave with more circumspectionn and composure than your average tea-party obamacare opponent.

Ha ha, goole, like there have never been riots or uprisings in Egypt. The ahistoric and ad hominem stretch that these guys will go to is risible.

well it's always about them isn't it...

haha yeah michael i think glenn beck just assumes all mobs are like the one he whips up, i.e. paranoid and cultish

i think the fountainhead of the right-wing attitude towards stuff like this is that "freedom" is something america invented and will be happy to export, but it's far too dangerous for anyone else to attempt to manufacture, especially arabs.

if they really want to be patriarchal they could just say, "they learned about it from watching us" and feel all good about themselves.

if they really want to be patriarchal they could just say, "they learned about it from watching us" and feel all good about themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo

I wonder what they think of Eisenhauer screwing the Israelis/French/British over Suez?

Eisenhauer?

Dwayne "Dude" Eisenhauer, TKE frat house, 1962

Bloody Germans

Ha ha! I don't know why that's the way it's spelled in my head. How odd.

just sat through that entire beck clip and my head is spinning with the amount of invented connections

did u guys miss btw that this is actually all bill ayers fault

ayers is in bed w/turkey everyone knows that